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navyreco

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Norway MoD Shortlisted TKMS and DCNS for Ula-class SSK Submarine Replacement
Based on economic, industrial and military assessments, the Norwegian Ministry of Defence has concluded that the French company Direction des Constructions Navales Services (DCNS) and the German company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) are the strongest candidates if Norway decides to procure new submarines. The Ministry of Defence has decided to focus our future efforts towards these two companies and their respective national authorities.
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FGS Baden-Württemberg, the lead ship of the F 125 class of frigates, has started builder’s sea trials.

Over 60 soldiers from the future Crew Alpha, lead by their future Captain, have joined the frigate on her first sail from Hamburg to Cuxhaven, Germany.

Over the next couple of weeks, the ship will be testing navigational systems, machinery and weapons. Among other, deployment of speedboats and helicopter coordination were on the testing schedule for April 6.

Though classified as frigates, the four ships of the class are comparable to destroyers in size. They are being built by the ARGE F125 consortium which was awarded the contract to build a total of four F125 class ships for the German Navy in 2007.

The consortium is made up from ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and the Friedrich Lürssen shipyard in Bremen, which is building the ships in cooperation with TKMS’ Blohm+Voss Shipyards in Hamburg.

The four F 125 class frigates will replace the eight frigates of the F122-class, which will be gradually decommissioned.

These ships are the first ones to run the so-called CODLAG propulsion system. The system essentially consists of electric motors which draw power from diesel generators. The new ships will carry four deployable boats and have two container spots on the middle deck.

Weaponry will consist of HARPOON and RAM missiles, one 127 mm machine gun, two 27 mm and five 12.7 mm guns. The 150-meter ship will have a complement capacity of 190 persons and be capable of achieving a maximum speed of 26 knots.

By the end of the decade, the four ships will be operated by a total of eight crews with a total of 120 personnel each. The Navy refers to this as the multiple-crew model where the eight crews will be operating as a closed team on a rotation principle.

With a length of 149 meters and a displacement of 7000 tonnes, the new frigates will be the biggest operational ships in the German Navy.

Too bad they do not have a 32 cell VLS. Then they would be a VERY strong combatant.

As it is, they are going to be very good ships.
 

FORBIN

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The most big Frigate with Bergamini do 6700 t, for size in fact a Destroyer but for missions, employment a Frigate :cool:
 

navyreco

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Pictures: German Navy’s First F125 Frigate Baden-Württemberg Begins Sea Trials
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German Navy’s (Deutsche Marine) first F125 frigate has begun sea trials on 6 April. The “Baden-Württemberg” has sailed from the shipyard in Hamburg to Cuxhaven. With a crew of 60 men and women, the vessel will assume a series of tests for the systems, subsystems and weapons of the platform.
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Too bad they do not have a 32 cell VLS. Then they would be a VERY strong combatant.

As it is, they are going to be very good ships.

As far as I know, these ships don't carry any ASW sensors or weapons (unless they carry an ASW helicopter).

Is this a sensible choice ?
Does this reflect some idea that hull mounted sonars aren't very useful in a ship not dedicated to ASW or is this just a result of trying to keep down costs ?
 

FORBIN

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Yes i don' t see also a hull sonar, damage definitely for costs ? have you more infos scratch o_O

With Lynx later NH-90 NFH get a ASW capacity but less efficient coz helo' s sonar are less powerful as a hull sonar more big and the best is a combined hunt vs sub with ships/helo in tandem and if the ship get also a tower sonar again better, ideal..
 
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As far as I know, these ships don't carry any ASW sensors or weapons (unless they carry an ASW helicopter).

Yes i don' t see also a hull sonar, damage definitely for costs ? have you more infos scratch o_O

As I alluded to earlier, those vessels were conceptualized / designed maybe 10+ years ago. At a time when stability, COIN, non-conventionl enemy scenarios were the big new thing to the german armed forces, or in german foreign policy maybe. Conventional conflicts were a thing of the past. Plus, over the last decade money for defence was especially rare.
All of wich lead to the finally much discussed poor state the Bundeswehr is in today as regards it's capability to to engage in and sustain prolonged, proper conflicts.

I hope the next class of ships, the MKS180, will put a lot more emphasis on ASW, as by the time they come into service, the F123s will be quiete old.
 

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Terma to Support Royal Danish Navy Iver Huitfeldt Class Frigate BMD & IAMD Upgrade
The Danish Defence Acquisition and Logistics Organization (DALO) has entered into an agreement and signed a contract with Terma on Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD). The aim is to provide DALO with study and advisory support within the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) and IAMD domains related to the Danish government’s decision to upgrade at least one of the IVER HUITFELDT class frigates to a BMD sensor role and offer this capability to the NATO BMD system.
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Initialy planned for 2017..


The Spanish Navy expects to receive its first submarine S-80 in 2021


The Spanish Navy hopes to receive the new submarine "S-80 class" in 2021. Here is the new schedule established once Navantia has solved the technical problems encountered in the design of the submarine, the "gaps related to balance of weight. "


"The S-80 is a large submarine once the delays will be overcome that, to some extent, are logical in technological projects of such magnitude," assured yesterday the chief of staff of the Spanish navy, Admiral Jaime Muñoz-Delgado y Díaz del Río, at a meeting with the press.

Navantia, with the help of General Dynamics Electric Boat has already confirmed "lengthening the hull, which means that the 5 sections of the submarine are available for the integration of internal structures."

The resolution of the detected-weight problem is finally passed by the lengthening of the submarine - among other measures. The industrial design program is now focusing on one of the three submarines, whose name was changed to "S-81 Plus."

Throughout the year 2016, will unfold a Critical Design Review (Critical Design Review), ie a full review of the new design for the submarine can go into production.

Admiral Munoz-Delgado admitted "small changes" on the submarine, but "now all the features originally requested by the Navy" and with the installation of the new independent propulsion system that will dive a longer than the 30 days currently achieved.

The S-70 class will undergo a major refit
Admiral Munoz-Delgado emphasized that submarine warfare was "strategic and absolutely necessary in today's world." The Spanish Navy currently has three submarines: the Galerna (S-71), Mistral (S-73) and the Tramontana (S-74). Siroco (S-72) was decommissioned. 3 submarines will undergo a complete maintenance period and improvements - called a "major overhaul" - to prolong their life until 2021.

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