Europe Refugee Crisis

plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Zool said:
The biggest challenge with immigration seems to be the ability and willingness of arrivals to assimilate to their new home. Problems occur when local language is not adopted and the immigrants isolate themselves, becoming partitioned from larger society. It creates misunderstanding and resentments between all parties. Government needs to do it's part to offer services and education to promote community integration, but it's on those arrivals to break out of their shell and become a part of their new home. As much a study of human nature as anything else.
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Its not just the new arrivals who have to be willing to change and compromise. How well new arrivals integrate into society is just as dependent on how willing the existing society is to accept and embrace them, if not more so, than the willingness of the new arrivals themselves to adapt and change.

If the existing population does not give new arrivals a fair chance to intergrade, if they not only do not make the new arrivals feel welcome, but in fact actively discriminate against them, then it would only be natural for the new arrivals to band together for mutual support and protection rather than live isolated and alone in hostile neighbourhoods that do not want them there.
 
Zool

Zool

Junior Member
plawolf said:
Its not just the new arrivals who have to be willing to change and compromise. How well new arrivals integrate into society is just as dependent on how willing the existing society is to accept and embrace them, if not more so, than the willingness of the new arrivals themselves to adapt and change.

If the existing population does not give new arrivals a fair chance to intergrade, if they not only do not make the new arrivals feel welcome, but in fact actively discriminate against them, then it would only be natural for the new arrivals to band together for mutual support and protection rather than live isolated and alone in hostile neighbourhoods that do not want them there.
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Absolutely - along with Government support there has to be a local population amiable or at the very least indifferent to new comers for integration to be successful. But where that exists I still believe the onus then falls on the immigrant to adapt to their new home, the language, and avoid isolating themselves amongst their own group, for the reasons I mentioned.

Immigration falls into the categories of Choice or Necessity/Force. Obviously if given the choice, you will immigrate to a land which is, on the whole, welcoming. Where choice is less of or not an option at all, you make due in dealing with your situation and possible hostility to your arrival. You can find support from within your own community of immigrants but in both cases of Choice or Necessity, greater progress will be made for the individual and the greater society if the immigrant makes the effort to integrate and interact with the larger community and not isolate to their own group.

JayBird said:
Eveything takes time. Look at U.S with all the ethnic enclaves in almost every major cities. It usually take 1-2 generations for the immigrants to fully assimilate into the American society.
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I agree with this. In fact I think it is generally the younger people (0-29) who most easily adapt to a new country. School and other social interactions require them to learn the language and associate with others outside their group. It seems to be more challenging for people 30+ to break out and do the same. It usually works itself out over a generation or two as you say, so long as the country is not completely intolerant.
 
Miragedriver

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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A young syrian girl sits on the tracks at the Serbian border with Hungary as she and her family wait for darkness before heading across country in Hungary
Picture: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images


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A wagon equipped with razor wire is rolled in to place on the border between Hungary and Serbia in Roszke, Hungary, to close the gap at the temporary border fence alongside the Horgos-Szeged railway line. Hungary has sealed the last gap in the barricade along its border with Serbia, closing the passage to thousands of refugees and migrants still waiting on the other side.
Picture: BALAZS MOHAI/EPA


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A refugee helps his young daughter along the railway track after he crossed the Serbian-Hungarian border near Roszke, southern Hungary
Picture: Matthius Schrader/AP


Back to bottling my Grenache
 
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Scratch

Captain
There are a lot of interesting and, I think important, issues raised over the last several posts. Too many to quote all of them, so I'll try to summerize my thoughts on them.

First, I do agree that a certain serenity of a society towards newly arriving cultural aspects is indeed a sign of a proper self awareness / confidence of that "native" society. However, I believe it is legitimate to place a limit on it. While it is understandable and ok for an immigrant to import aspects of his / her culture, it is in the same way justified for the "natives" wanting to maintain apsects important to them. If the immigrant doesn't like leaving certain aspects behind, he /she is free to go somewhere else. However, if the "natives", in mumbers, don't agree with changes brought about by immigration you can't just tell them to then go find another place to live.

Next, I also agree that some kind of welcoming behaviour is in order, but, again, on the grounds of some conditions not open to debate. The immigrant is welcomed into a certain society with certain (cultural) aspects of daily life.
The single most important issue here is language. It is the one aspect than makes interacting with the people possible, which in turn is key to enableing integration. And you just cannot exspect the local populace to learn every possible immigration language.
 
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Qi_1528

New Member
Registered Member
Some of these cops must feel like crap having to hold little kids escaping war back.

When we get down to it, the West has at least some responsibility for this crisis, and should take however many people it realistically can. Let's ignore or all the politics of attempting regime change and all this, and just focus on the effects of the air strikes on ISIS targets in the region. Even though air power is far less of a blunt instrument than it was in wars like Vietnam, it's not able to avoid innocent causalities, and destruction of homes and infrastructure. The air strikes will be contributing to the problem to some degree. It's unavoidable.
 
Miragedriver

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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A migrant with a child stands near a train at the railway station in Dugo Selo, near Zagreb, Croatia
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A migrant protests as Hungarian riot police fires tear gas and water cannon at the border crossing with Serbia in Roszke, Hungary
Picture: REUTERS/Stoyan Nenov


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A picture taken from a drone shows the stranded refugees at the border station between Serbia and Hungary near Horgos, northern Serbia, taken from the Hungarian side near Rozske, Hungary
Picture: EPA/ISTVAN RUZSA


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An injured refugee carries a child during clashes with Hungarian riot police at the border crossing with Serbia in Roszke, Hungary. Hungarian police fired tear gas and water cannon at protesting migrants demanding they be allowed to enter from Serbia on Wednesday on the second day of a border crackdown.
Picture: REUTERS/Karnok Csaba


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A group of refugees wait to be picked up by Croatian police for a transfer on the Serbian side of the border with Croatia, near Sid, Serbia
Picture: REUTERS/Antonio Bronic


Back to bottling my Grenache
 
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