Espionage involving China

SinoSoldier said:

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The US should use this opportunity and milk him of all the information they can get, in exchange for political & personal protection and a lofty job within the DHS; hopefully more people will come forward with information regarding illegal Chinese-sanctioned activities within the US.

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I mean, assuming this guy has any legitimacy at all.

Isn't he the one who said that Fan Bingbing was made to have sex with Wang Qishan? Come on...


edit: this isn't to say that some of his more general claims are not potentially true. For example I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese intelligence has penetrated the big US defence companies and if they had thousands or tens of thousands of spies or sources in the US. But those are things that any sort of person with half a mind could say and claim to be mostly true. Unfortunately, some of his other more extravagant claims and his rather histrionic tone in the way he describes China makes one doubt the authenticity of the basis of his many of his claims, even if some of his claims may happen to be on the dot, simply due to common sense.

Oh wow, are they giving out "dissident" label to anyone who oppose China these days?

This guy is wanted by Interpol, and he is corrupt as they come, its pretty obvious he will say whatever to not get send back to China for trial.

25k Chinese spy in US? What about the listening device hidden in Trump's toilet bowl? Or how about the UFO cover up? I hope he mentions those as well.

dingyibvs said:

If the numbers are unconfirmed and the rest are already known, what information has he really offered? Do you think the CIA only engages in morally upright business?

"one would unfortunately expect this to worsen as China fortifies its political and economic influence abroad."

Unfortunate...for whom? The methods may differ, but the goals of the Chinese spy services as Guo described sounds pretty much par for the course for spy agencies around the globe. Information, disinformation, disruption, seduction, coercion, are all pretty much common practice by spy agencies around the world, no? Each agency's success would only be unfortunate for its adversaries, as is the case for the MSS, CIA, FSB, MI5, etc. etc.

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If he does have personal ties to the upper echelons of the MSS, then I'd suspect that he would at least have an inkling of how the organization carries out espionage, the types of individuals the MSS usually recruits, and perhaps even information leading to some spies in the US right now. If the MSS does have the overarching goal of corrupting US officials and their family members, then rooting them out wouldn't be an issue if the dissident has information about who had been "targeted".

I'm sure the United States (and others worldwide) have an idea of how the MSS carries out espionage, but the who/when/what/how is what really brings the game of counterintelligence from shooting in the dark to a more targeted & trimmed approach.

Bltizo said:

I mean, assuming this guy has any legitimacy at all.

Isn't he the one who said that Fan Bingbing was made to have sex with Wang Qishan? Come on...


edit: this isn't to say that some of his more general claims are not potentially true. For example I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese intelligence has penetrated the big US defence companies and if they had thousands or tens of thousands of spies or sources in the US. But those are things that any sort of person with half a mind could say and claim to be mostly true. Unfortunately, some of his other more extravagant claims and his rather histrionic tone in the way he describes China makes one doubt the authenticity of the basis of his many of his claims, even if some of his claims may happen to be on the dot, simply due to common sense.

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As stated in my previous post, this individual's worth (as an intelligence asset) comes not from the generalizations you mentioned but rather the details of how exactly the MSS operates within the US and, potentially, information that allows the US to narrow its counterintelligence activities. And given that his most powerful tool against extradition (and subsequently a very hopeless trial) is the possibility of striking a deal with the FBI, he probably isn't bluffing every other statement that he has made thus far.

SinoSoldier said:

As stated in my previous post, this individual's worth (as an intelligence asset) comes not from the generalizations you mentioned but rather the details of how exactly the MSS operates within the US and, potentially, information that allows the US to narrow its counterintelligence activities. And given that his most powerful tool against extradition (and subsequently a very hopeless trial) is the possibility of striking a deal with the FBI, he probably isn't bluffing every other statement that he has made thus far.

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That's possible, but he don't work for MSS, he only said he is friend with the guy working at MSS, you know when 2 guys with testosterone get together what that they talk about? Basically who's d1ck is bigger, they boost and exaggerate about how much money and power they have.

What they don't talk about is detail information of their jobs, and I suspect the information he is going to provide is old news for CIA or FBI, but its far more likely Gou will simply make stuff up to sound important to not get deported, either way, more busy work for US intelligence.[/QUOTE]

SinoSoldier said:

As stated in my previous post, this individual's worth (as an intelligence asset) comes not from the generalizations you mentioned but rather the details of how exactly the MSS operates within the US and, potentially, information that allows the US to narrow its counterintelligence activities. And given that his most powerful tool against extradition (and subsequently a very hopeless trial) is the possibility of striking a deal with the FBI, he probably isn't bluffing every other statement that he has made thus far.

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You think so?

I mean, I think he's pretty useful just as a #dissident, regardless of how accurate his claims are. I think the US govt would find quite a bit of value for him as they do with most other Chinese nationals that fits his parameters. Also, it's not like the US needs any excuse to refuse to extradite someone back to China -- they can simply decline and reject extradition without an explanation.


I think it's a bit strange that you're automatically assuming that he is worthwhile as an intelligence asset of any kind, as that means you're assuming he has specific detailed knowledge rather than just blowing hot air and making general claims that you or I could make without too much doubt. I, on the other hand, would think the first question to ask, is just how credible is this guy and how much does he know -- which in itself is a very big hurdle to clear -- before asking just how valuable his information could be for US counterintelligence or what not.

Bltizo said:

I mean, I think he's pretty useful just as a #dissident, regardless of how accurate his claims are. I think the US govt would find quite a bit of value for him as they do with most other Chinese nationals that fits his parameters. Also, it's not like the US needs any excuse to refuse to extradite someone back to China -- they can simply decline and reject extradition without an explanation.

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You know I think in this case if US keep him as "dissident" it would actually work in China's favor.

Just as Liu Xiaobo literally have 0 popular support in China, when he was awarded Nobel prize, people all see the Nobel peace commite is all political with no substance. When he died last week I didn't know anyone cry a tear for him, most of my friend said it his death wouldn't come sooner, but yet the Western media make it sound like the death of Jesus Christ or something.

If US keep this unhinged guy as dissident, it will only send a message to Chinese that just how petty the US government has became, that it will do whatever it can to damage China, and this might result in higher support for the Chinese government somewhat lol.

I'm sure the US will use him as a propaganda tool regardless if he's 100% lying. He's just trying to save his own ass because some Western countries are turning over these criminals back to China. Let's just remember a good laugh of the past when before another criminal ran to the US for protection from China and then was later arrested by the US as a spy for China. Maybe China will have to execute another round of spies working for the US to remind them of the hypocrisy. They wouldn't have been outraged over breaking up a US spy ring if it wasn't true they were spies in the first place.

sanblvd said:

You know I think in this case if US keep him as "dissident" it would actually work in China's favor.

Just as Liu Xiaobo literally have 0 popular support in China, when he was awarded Nobel prize, people all see the Nobel peace commite is all political with no substance. When he died last week I didn't know anyone cry a tear for him, most of my friend said it his death wouldn't come sooner, but yet the Western media make it sound like the death of Jesus Christ or something.

If US keep this unhinged guy as dissident, it will only send a message to Chinese that just how petty the US government has became, that it will do whatever it can to damage China, and this might result in higher support for the Chinese government somewhat lol.

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The best weapon China can use against the US is the US herself. Her internal toxicism between Republicans and Democrats is the perfect example to cite when arguing against democracy, debatably even better than India. Whereas India remains an impoverished developing country with a fast growth rate, the US is the typical poster child of democracy. Just taking a quick look at the US tells you exactly how well a democracy will function after an extended period of time; a petty, bitter, hateful, toxic, and vitriolic division within a country, yielding a leader that will run the country into the ground and a support base more absorbed with screwing over domestic political opponents than safeguarding the interests of their own country. Of all the bullshit this dissident billionaire has said, I do wish one part is true; the vastly increased budget and operating capabilities of the MSS. The tinder underneath the US has been set; race tensions, class division, age division, far left - far right feud, and disregard of climate change. All China needs to do is light the spark and the US can easily tear herself apart. And to do that, the MSS needs a very healthy budget, indeed.

sanblvd said:

When he died last week I didn't know anyone cry a tear for him, most of my friend said it his death wouldn't come sooner

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lol, if I had been this guy knowing your positings here and I would have a part of my family in the mainland China I wouldn't say anything else than that!