Equipment used in Korea

Kampfwagen

Kampfwagen

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The North Koreans did in fact gain around 150 T-34/85 Tanks, thanks to 'Uncle Stalin' who also gave SU-76 SPG's (self propelled guns). The Chinese also had T-34 tanks (Not sure if they were 85's or an older version) and both had BA-64 armored cars. However, both sides rarely used them. T-34 tanks, despite their thick armor and powerful guns, were also known for their mechanical unreliability, a side effect of unskilled labor involved in military mass production. Many of the Chinese and North Koreans did not have the technical skill to repair the tanks, and typicaly just left them whenever and wherever they broke down and stuck to infantry attacks.
 
Kampfwagen

Kampfwagen

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The M-14 was adopted in 1956-7, a good three or four years after the end of Korea. However, the M-14's prototype was first made in 1944 and was basicaly an M1 Rifle with a BAR Magazine attached.

However, there was an 'assault rifle' used by Allied forces in Korea: The M2 Rifle. This was a select fire modification of the M1 Carbine that came in the same ammunition type that the original M1 and M1A1 did. However, it lacked the range of most traditional rifles and thus was not considered a real assault rifle (However assinine a classification that is, it's the offical one). Other than that, it was your basic low powered, short ranged M1 Carbine. I'd prefer Uncle Garand if you ask me.
 
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ahho

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commonwealth was still using enfield, which is a pretty good gun. One thing i don't understand, there were a documentary in CBC and a veteran said that "we have to fire one bloody bullet at a time, while the chinese are using machine gun spraying". He said that happened at a hill where the last battle was fought.

Were there a lot of machine gun (bren look alike) used by the chinese during the war???
 
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simonov

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May be they used PD (Pulemyot Degtyarev). If they got Bren, must be from the Nationalist weapon who get during the Japanese and civil war
 
Kampfwagen

Kampfwagen

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The 'Bren Look-Alike' might be the Type 96 LMG used by the Japanese during WW2. From a distance, they look very similar.

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Type 96 LMG

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Bren
 
isthvan

isthvan

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ahho said:
commonwealth was still using enfield, which is a pretty good gun. One thing i don't understand, there were a documentary in CBC and a veteran said that "we have to fire one bloody bullet at a time, while the chinese are using machine gun spraying". He said that happened at a hill where the last battle was fought.

Were there a lot of machine gun (bren look alike) used by the chinese during the war???
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It is more probably that he was talking about PPSch-41 Shpagin submachine gun whit 71 rounds in drum magazine… Chinese troops using Shpagin’s had great advantage in firepower compared to UN troops…
 
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Obcession

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Not necessarily. The PPsH 41 fires rounds extremely fast, yes. But the rounds loses energy very quickly, not to mention the inaccuracy of the PPsH, compared to other SMG's. You'll have to be very close range to have a firepower advantage with PPsH. The Lee Enfield was a good gun, but for longer ranges. As for one bullet at a time... The Brits and Canadians (I do believe that veteran was a Canadian?) Had a lot more heavy small arms than the PVA, and a lot more bullets to spend. That's because most of the weapons that China had at the beginning of the war (Most probably, the veteran was referring to the beginning of the war, when China was overwhelming and encircling enemy troops by the thousands, and thus creating a situation where he was being pinned down so badly) were captured equipment from the KMT and Japanese, and that ammunition was short because it had to be captured.
 
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isthvan

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Obcession said:
Not necessarily. The PPsH 41 fires rounds extremely fast, yes. But the rounds loses energy very quickly, not to mention the inaccuracy of the PPsH, compared to other SMG's. You'll have to be very close range to have a firepower advantage with PPsH. The Lee Enfield was a good gun, but for longer ranges. As for one bullet at a time... The Brits and Canadians (I do believe that veteran was a Canadian?) Had a lot more heavy small arms than the PVA, and a lot more bullets to spend. That's because most of the weapons that China had at the beginning of the war (Most probably, the veteran was referring to the beginning of the war, when China was overwhelming and encircling enemy troops by the thousands, and thus creating a situation where he was being pinned down so badly) were captured equipment from the KMT and Japanese, and that ammunition was short because it had to be captured.
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I guess that it all depend on year we are talking about… It is joust that I can not imagine any other weapon used by Chinese troops that could give that kind of firepower advantage over UN troops…
Shpagin proved him self on ww2 eastern front and Wermacht even considered making drum magazine for MP40 SMG… After ww2 Soviets delivered big quantities of Shpagin's to it allies including China…
 
Kampfwagen

Kampfwagen

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The Chinese did use PPsH41's, but there is a big diffrence in the look of a PPsH41 to that of a Bren. The PPsH is a 'typical' rifle design with a large drum protruding out from the bottom and a threaded barrel (Forgive me if this is the incorrect term. It has alot of holes in the barrel for the ventalation of heat and gasses). This is alot diffrent looking than the Bren, which most noticeable of it's features is the large Banana-Style clip, bipod and a barrel which terminates in a cone-shape. (I dont know what the offical word is, but I am thinking Compensator.)

So I personaly beleve that it was either a captured Type 96, or a ex-nationalist Bren.
 
isthvan

isthvan

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Kampfwagen said:
The Chinese did use PPsH41's, but there is a big diffrence in the look of a PPsH41 to that of a Bren. The PPsH is a 'typical' rifle design with a large drum protruding out from the bottom and a threaded barrel (Forgive me if this is the incorrect term. It has alot of holes in the barrel for the ventalation of heat and gasses). This is alot diffrent looking than the Bren, which most noticeable of it's features is the large Banana-Style clip, bipod and a barrel which terminates in a cone-shape. (I dont know what the offical word is, but I am thinking Compensator.)

So I personaly beleve that it was either a captured Type 96, or a ex-nationalist Bren.
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Kampfwagen I know how Shpagin looks and how Bren looks…
I joust have hard time believing that Chinese troops used squad machine guns in so superior numbers compared to commonwealth troops… UN troops used Enfield but they also had Brens and BARs in every squad…
So I really can’t understand what could give Chinese troops so much advantage in firepower …

It would be nice if ahho could provide additional information on this subject…
 
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