ECS ADIZ: it's about sovereignty (CLOSED FOR COOLING OFF)

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Blackstone

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For a change, I agree more than disagree with yet another China threat article from James Holmes. The portion he got right is China's ECS ADIZ is about sovereignty, and works in conjunction to China's maritime actions around Diaoyu islands. What he and history-challenged, empire building neocons like him conveniently left out is Diaoyu isles were sovereignty Chinese territory taken by Imperial Japan in 1895 through a war of aggression. US held the islands after WW2, but the Nixon administration illegally gave them to Japan in 1971 for geopolitical reasons.


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Chinese maritime strategy is a misnomer, methinks. It should be strategies, plural. China may harbor the same goals in, say, the East China Sea that it does in the South China Sea. Namely, it may aspire to wrest physical control—a.k.a. sovereignty—from its neighbors throughout a given expanse and the airspace overhead. The Chinese Communist Party’s word would become law. Others would obey.

The aggregate result, should these strategies work: de facto sovereignty for China within Asia’s first offshore island chain, backed up by the armed might of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

But Beijing is treading disparate pathways toward that end. Indeed, its approach in the East China Sea is a geospatial inverse of its approach in the South China Sea. Exhibit A: last month Chinese air-traffic controllers warned the crew of a U.S. Air Force B-1B bomber that the aircraft had entered “Chinese airspace” and should begone forthwith. In reality, the bomber was transiting China’s air-defense identification zone (ADIZ), declared to great fanfare back in 2013.

Coastal states commonly erect such zones to monitor air traffic heading toward their shores, but China’s ADIZ represents a thinly veiled grab for sovereignty over the airways. It’s an airborne counterpart to the “nine-dashed line” inscribed on China’s map of the South China Sea. Beijing claims the right to regulate not just flights bound for China, but any aircraft transiting the zone—even if well out to sea and parallel to the mainland coastline. It claims to regulate overflight over geographic features administered by other Asian governments, notably the Japan-administered Senkaku Islands.

And party spokesmen have taken to blurring the language they deploy to describe the ADIZ. They increasingly refer to it as territorial airspace, where foreign aircraft may pass only if they desist from all military activities. That’s entirely fitting in the airspace over China’s territorial sea, which extends twelve nautical miles offshore. Beyond the twelve-mile limit, however, no coastal state has the right to dictate what aircrews may or may not do. That’s the avian commons, a domain where virtually untrammeled freedom prevails.

The Obama administration and friendly governments thus rejected Beijing’s ADIZ unequivocally, and for good reason. China has a way of using wordplay to redefine and expand its political and strategic prerogatives. Defenders of the commons must debunk attempted sleights of hand early and often. The Trump administration appears set to embrace the same approach as its predecessor. The U.S. Air Force aviators reminded the air-traffic controllers that they were conducting lawful operations in international airspace, seventy miles offshore. They refused to deviate from their flight path.

Good. Assent to China’s demands for the sake of comity, and creeping encroachment will proceed on the surface beneath. If airspace belongs to China, so must the sea and land below. QED. Rebuff China’s demands aloft, and it will have a hard time redefining its ADIZ as national territory. The sea below will remain a commons as well.

As noted before, China’s South China Sea strategy is an upside-down cousin to its East China Sea strategy: Beijing started by claiming the sea and its archipelagos, and projected its supposed jurisdiction skyward. If the sea is part of Greater China, goes the logic, then so is the wild blue yonder above. That’s why party officialdom uses the language of “innocent passage” for the South China Sea commons. It insists that foreign ships and aircraft forswear all military activities there—the way they must within coastal states’ territorial waters.

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Blackstone

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Why the disparity between strategies? Why not replicate the proven Southeast Asian approach to the north? First of all, there’s expediency. Chinese diplomats can point to the map to justify their claim to South China Sea waters and islands. To the 1947 map, that is, that bears a nine-dashed line enclosing waters that have supposedly belonged to China since remote antiquity. That’s an image with long provenance, and something to sustain a diplomatic campaign.

There is no similar map of the East China Sea, where Japan wrested Taiwan and the Senkakus from dynastic China during a short, sharp war in 1894–95. Proclaiming an ADIZ supplied a way to sketch a new map of the East China Sea—and start the process of asserting jurisdiction there.

Second, the East China Sea is simply a less hospitable theater for Chinese strategy compared to the South China Sea. The South China Sea is a long, distended body of water dotted with islands, atolls and reefs. Except for China, weak coastal states form its rim. Unless Southeast Asian states make common cause—as they seldom do—Beijing will command a forbidding advantage in any contest for control of regional islands, sea or air.

If the South China Sea offers relatively permissive surroundings, the East China Sea is uninviting. It is compact by contrast to the South China Sea. Strong military powers hostile to Chinese territorial aggrandizement comprise its eastern rim. Among these potential foes, Taiwan is unofficially allied with the United States. Japan is formally allied with the United States, and indeed, its world-class navy operates as part of a combined fleet alongside the U.S. Seventh Fleet.

In short, little territory remains for Beijing to prise loose in the East China Sea. What islands there are belong to powerful antagonists backed by the predominant naval power of the age. Small wonder that China’s coast guard, maritime militia and navy have confined themselves to harrying Japanese forces policing the sea around the Senkakus. And small wonder Beijing started staking its claims with an ADIZ. Declaring such a zone represented one among a lean menu of options.

In his last major work, titled Naval Strategy (1911), historian Alfred Thayer Mahan hinted at the differences between Southeast and Northeast Asia today. Notes Mahan, regions that are “rich by nature and important both commercially and politically, but politically insecure, compel the attention and excite the jealousies of more powerful nations.” Southeast Asia is a quintessential economically vibrant yet weak and disunited region. It makes an ideal setting for a jealous, united China that wants to rewrite the rules of the regional order.

To Chinese eyes, by contrast, Northeast Asia is a prosperous theater, occupied by an antagonist boasting the world’s third-largest economy, allied to a superpower boasting the world’s largest economy. This is a tough neighborhood for would-be hegemons in Beijing. Badgering others to acquiesce in its air-defense zone may be the most China can do unless the military balance comes to favor China so lopsidedly that it can entertain new options.

Will Beijing’s air-first strategy work? Doubtful. China has achieved a measure of success in Southeast Asia because the sea lends itself to “gray-zone” tactics prosecuted by paramilitary and nonmilitary implements of sea power. Maritime militiamen operating within the fishing fleet—and backed by the China Coast Guard—can overwhelm regional coast guards and navies. The surface-first approach lends itself to gray-zone tactics.

Not so aviation. The nature of air and sea traffic is just different. Fishing or coast-guard craft can obstruct passage by foreign fishing boats, coast-guard cutters, or even warships. Block a slow-moving ship’s path and it stops or turns away. The burden of deciding whether to escalate or capitulate falls on the victim of Chinese gray-zone tactics—and Beijing gets to play the aggrieved party if the victim chooses escalation.

Yet there’s no obvious aerial equivalent to China’s swarm of fishing craft. Military aircraft operating under ground control constitute the airborne arm of China’s offshore strategy. Intercepting and blocking the movements of foreign aircraft is dicey compared to playing chicken down on the surface. Collision and death are far more likely, the diplomatic repercussions unpalatable in the extreme. Nor can officialdom distance itself from what PLA pilots do the way it can from maritime militiamen.

One doubts Beijing relishes a repeat of the 2001 EP-3 incident, when a Chinese fighter was hotdogging near a U.S. surveillance plane over the South China Sea, collided with the American plane and set loose a diplomatic ruckus. It certainly doesn’t relish lots of repeats. And yet such would be a foreseeable outcome of sending planes to operate routinely in close proximity to foreign aircraft. The burden would fall on China—not China’s opponents—to justify its behavior. Beijing would have painted itself as the aggressor.

The upshot? The U.S.-Japan alliance should remain confident and united while shoring up its side of the military balance. If the allies do, they will expose China’s ADIZ as hollow—and keep China from exploiting it to seek bigger things.
 

delft

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Beautiful, Blackstone, they know Japan only took the islands in 1895 but China can do nothing because the world class navy of Japan is part of USN.:oops:
China can wait while the Japanese population shrinks and Tepco and Toshiba drown in red ink.
 

Gloire_bb

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There is but one problem.
ADIZ as whole, as a way to de facto partially control international space, isn't chinese invention.
To be precise - it was invented by countries, which are so kin on preventing "creeping territorialism" as whole.

Yet even basic request to state your activity and distination already can be described as a partial(even if basic) sovereignity, and pattern of creating adiz the way you see it suiting yourself was created by US.

Overall - it's remarkedly hard to oppose something created by yourself. When state makes something with because i can, what you're going to do with it lines of reasoning - get ready to create custom.

This is the way it works in international law.
 
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For a change, I agree more than disagree with yet another China threat article from James Holmes. The portion he got right is China's ECS ADIZ is about sovereignty, and works in conjunction to China's maritime actions around Diaoyu islands. What he and history-challenged, empire building neocons like him conveniently left out is Diaoyu isles were sovereignty Chinese territory taken by Imperial Japan in 1895 through a war of aggression. US held the islands after WW2, but the Nixon administration illegally gave them to Japan in 1971 for geopolitical reasons.

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While your comments add a little bit of much needed context, and Gloire bb's comments add some more, this article remains as extremely dishonest and hypocritical anti-China propaganda that takes US moral standing down a notch.
 

Blackstone

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While your comments add a little bit of much needed context, and Gloire bb's comments add some more, this article remains as extremely dishonest and hypocritical anti-China propaganda that takes US moral standing down a notch.
Well, I did mention the article was written by a neocon, in this case an ultra-neocon, so the fact it's a hypocrisy laden, one-sided hit piece on China shouldn't be surprising.
 

SamuraiBlue

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The whole thing that Blackstone does not mentions or cannot admit is that the Senkaku were all declared as Japan's sovereign territory through due diligence and accepted procedures which is still the norm TODAY. It was not spoils of war nor was it stolen.

Basically Quin dynasty did not consider it as their territory then PRC did not see it as their territory up until the 70's when UN announced that there MAYBE oil deposited in the area. This can be easily be proven with maps that were printed by official PRC agency showing that Senkaku was Japan's sovereign territory.

Neither ROC nor PRC made any assertion of Senkaku to Japan till the 70's and now they are shamelessly trying to make claim as if it was from the beginning theirs to own.

Sorry but that does not fly anywhere else in the world except some place that rewrites history for their own selfish goals.
 

antiterror13

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The whole thing that Blackstone does not mentions or cannot admit is that the Senkaku were all declared as Japan's sovereign territory through due diligence and accepted procedures which is still the norm TODAY. It was not spoils of war nor was it stolen.

Basically Quin dynasty did not consider it as their territory then PRC did not see it as their territory up until the 70's when UN announced that there MAYBE oil deposited in the area. This can be easily be proven with maps that were printed by official PRC agency showing that Senkaku was Japan's sovereign territory.

Neither ROC nor PRC made any assertion of Senkaku to Japan till the 70's and now they are shamelessly trying to make claim as if it was from the beginning theirs to own.

Sorry but that does not fly anywhere else in the world except some place that rewrites history for their own selfish goals.

did you learn/read that from Japanese textbooks? .... no wonder ;) like how Japanese textbooks and the govt keep denying than IJA committed a huge criminal war, looting, raping, etc, etc ... would you deny it as well?
 
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PiSigma

"the engineer"
The whole thing that Blackstone does not mentions or cannot admit is that the Senkaku were all declared as Japan's sovereign territory through due diligence and accepted procedures which is still the norm TODAY. It was not spoils of war nor was it stolen.

Basically Quin dynasty did not consider it as their territory then PRC did not see it as their territory up until the 70's when UN announced that there MAYBE oil deposited in the area. This can be easily be proven with maps that were printed by official PRC agency showing that Senkaku was Japan's sovereign territory.

Neither ROC nor PRC made any assertion of Senkaku to Japan till the 70's and now they are shamelessly trying to make claim as if it was from the beginning theirs to own.

Sorry but that does not fly anywhere else in the world except some place that rewrites history for their own selfish goals.

ROC and PRC never laid claim to senkakus... Since senkakus does not exist. They both however lay claim to Diaoyu islands, you know the ones that Japan doesn't have sovereignty over. Since US lend administrative rights to japan, I think its time the winners of WW2 take it back now. Maybe even the rest of those islands that Japan doesn't technically own... Like Ryukyu islands.. And pretty much anything else that is not part of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu and Shikoku. Since I'm pretty sure the winners decided Japan is 4 islands and that is it.
Think awaji island should go to USA as a sovereign territory, can build some military bases there...

Wait what we talking about again? Got distracted by a critical thinker.
 
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