ECS ADIZ: it's about sovereignty (CLOSED FOR COOLING OFF)

SamuraiBlue said:

You have no thesis to begin with. You have not made any connections to how the size of a nation is going to transfer sovereignty of territory of one nation to the other. Until you have the above posting remains irrelevant to the topic at hand.
In other words you have no sauce.

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I'm surprised to see your lack of understanding on the fundamental link between size of a nation's comprehensive power and the ability to pursue its interests. Nevertheless, you might benefit from a bit of education on the matter, not from pro-China writers, but from a well know and respected China hawk, Andrew Erickson. I recommend the entire article from The Diplomat, but here's the section that addresses your deficiency.

Most importantly, China’s sea forces have some significantly different missions than their American counterparts. In the words of Princeton professor

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” even without fully “catching up.” Quantity has a quality all its own in this regard. Across many realms, including industry, China is being disruptive: if not always by being good, then at least simply by being big. Presence matters considerably, and China can displace others through sheer numbers. Qualitative comparisons of naval systems will only matter in the case of an actual fight, which no one wants. Up to that point on the escalation ladder, China’s colossal bulk gives it dominance and initiative. We can see some of this in practice already in Beijing’s

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. Meanwhile, Chinese ship-design and -building progress is increasing the PLAN’s ability to contest sea control in a widening arc of the Western Pacific. And Chinese analysts continually probe for weaknesses to exploit; they regard satellite infrastructure as a particular vulnerability for an overseas navy such as the USN.

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delft said:

LOL. How can it be no man's land with well developed countries all around? This is ridiculous.

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I heard there are four big islands just off of Korea with some small islands that no one has claimed yet. There are allegedly people on there, but they really all are semi american subjects, so don't have sovereign rights anyone. We should just declare it no mans land.

delft said:

LOL. How can it be no man's land with well developed countries all around? This is ridiculous.

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Don't forget that First Sino-Japanese War was more or less started by drunk Chinese sailors in Nagasaki. Chinese were so confident that Japanese are inferior to them in every aspect that they didn't even bother to say sorry or anything. Then boom...

... and that's how Senkaku Islands became Japanese.

I wouldn't use words like 'developed' when writing about XIX century East Asia.

Such discussions are realy dumb in my opinion.

Janiz said:

Don't forget that First Sino-Japanese War was more or less started by drunk Chinese sailors in Nagasaki. Chinese were so confident that Japanese are inferior to them in every aspect that they didn't even bother to say sorry or anything. Then boom...

... and that's how Senkaku Islands became Japanese.

I wouldn't use words like 'developed' when writing about XIX century East Asia.

Such discussions are realy dumb in my opinion.

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Didn't realise Japanesr education is so bad these days.
sarcasm on
Ww2 started because Japan was invited to shanghai right? And US invaded Japanese Hawaii? And Poland asked Hitler to liberate them from the Jews?
Sarcasm off
I still don't know why people like janiz isn't banned yet.

Didnt you know, WWI was started by the Serbs!

Blackstone said:

I'm surprised to see your lack of understanding on the fundamental link between size of a nation's comprehensive power and the ability to pursue its interests. Nevertheless, you might benefit from a bit of education on the matter, not from pro-China writers, but from a well know and respected China hawk, Andrew Erickson. I recommend the entire article from The Diplomat, but here's the section that addresses your deficiency.

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See no sauce.
You have no way to establish a direct relationship between the size of a nation and why a nation will transfer sovereign territory to another.
Basically it's a fantasy.

PiSigma said:

Ww2 started because Japan was invited to shanghai right?

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I don't know but US helping China in a war against Japan was ok, but when it comes to helping out Philippines or Vietnam or whoever against PRC's moves in South China Sea it's imperialistic and wrong.

Make your minds once and for all for heaven's sake... In this very thread we can see PRC's Minister of Foreign Affairs (or maybe Chairman Xi himself, I can't decide judging from tone but it must be someone important for sure to speak such bold words like what 'China will' or 'China won't' do) writing stuff like

Blackstone said:

What crap from a know nothing. Japan will return Diaoyu in peace or in pieces. It's up to you people.

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lol, user called @antiterror13 followed me after my post in this thread probably to counter every post I write on this board (I think I should write you about that I don't even read it - you're on my ignore list anyway. You're wasting your time anyway... maybe you'll find something elese to do in in the time you would save without another reply to my post...). He writes back at every post that I or SamuraiBlue write here. He doesn't even provide second-hand informations from Chinese BBS - all he does is replying to those posts.

Mods - please close this thread as it's purely made for bashing Japan and there's nothing informative here aside from flames of hate.

delft said:

LOL. How can it be no man's land with well developed countries all around? This is ridiculous.

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Your question was the situation back in 1880. Ming had an isolationist policy called or sea ban restricting private maritime trading and coastal settlement during most of the Ming dynasty and some of the Qing. So it is not really any stretch of imagination that no nation had established administration over Senkaku isles during those time.

SamuraiBlue said:

See no sauce.
You have no way to establish a direct relationship between the size of a nation and why a nation will transfer sovereign territory to another.
Basically it's a fantasy.

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That's because there's so much sauce on your face, if you opened your eyes, your retina would be marinated. Let me make this really really easy, with examples, for the... less fortunate small friends on this forum.

Large country (measured by some combination of usable land and population)= more resources. More resources = more power. Large country with more power will eventually wrestle away what it wants from small country with less power.

Case 1. Chen is 190cm tall and 100kg. Toshi is 145cm tall and 38kg (and somehow getting thinner). When they wrestle for a sack of rice, Chen is eventually gonna take it even if Toshi currently has it in his hand and is asking Chen to back off. This process can take longer if Toshi promises to lick and massage John's feet every night for him to stand there and look tough, (not that Toshi had a choice to begin with). John is 195cm and 110kg, but Chen is growing like a calf on steroids and John, not so much. Their relative growth to each other, as well as Toshi's foot-licking skills, will determine how long it is before Chen gets back his sack of rice.

Case 2. Russia is bigger than Ukraine. Russia wants Crimea. Russia takes Crimea. Nobody wants to mess with Russia. The end.

SamuraiBlue said:

See no sauce.
You have no way to establish a direct relationship between the size of a nation and why a nation will transfer sovereign territory to another.
Basically it's a fantasy.

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You don't see the link because you don't want to see it. But, that's your God given right, so go on with your delusion.

Transfer? It's clear Japan wouldn't willingly hand back Chinese sovereignty unjustly taken in war of aggression, so China will push it out of the way at a time convenient to it. Japan is screwed going forward, and panic is beginning to set in. China will bide its time and continue to reemerge. One day, there will be a Chinese flag on Diaoyu, and there's not a whole lot Japan could do about it. America will not send our sons and daughters to die for your emperor, so you're all alone. Ponder that with your morning cereal.