East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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Not sure where to put this so I opted to start a new thread.

BEIJING, Nov. 23 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of National Defense issued an announcement of the aircraft identification rules for the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone of the People's Republic of China.p Following is the full text:

Announcement of the Aircraft Identification Rules for the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone of the People's Republic of China

Issued by the Ministry of National Defense on November 23

The Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China, in accordance with the Statement by the Government of the People's Republic of China on Establishing the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, now announces the Aircraft Identification Rules for the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone as follows:

First, aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must abide by these rules.

Second, aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must provide the following means of identification:

1. Flight plan identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone should report the flight plans to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China or the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

2. Radio identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must maintain the two-way radio communications, and respond in a timely and accurate manner to the identification inquiries from the administrative organ of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone or the unit authorized by the organ.

3. Transponder identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, if equipped with the secondary radar transponder, should keep the transponder working throughout the entire course.

4. Logo identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must clearly mark their nationalities and the logo of their registration identification in accordance with related international treaties.

Third, aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone should follow the instructions of the administrative organ of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone or the unit authorized by the organ. China's armed forces will adopt defensive emergency measures to respond to aircraft that do not cooperate in the identification or refuse to follow the instructions.

Fourth, the Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China is the administrative organ of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone.

Fifth, the Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China is responsible for the explanation of these rules.

Sixth, these rules will come into force at 10 a.m. November 23, 2013.
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.... Cue the dramatic an overwrought camera pan "sh*t just got real" from bad boys II.
 
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Bltizo said:
.... Cue the dramatic an overwrought camera pan "sh*t just got real" from bad boys II.
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I was so busy posting the thread, I forgot to add my $0.02. Yep, there's a huge swatch of overlap with Japan's ID zone, get ready for more standoffs and close calls. It would be even hotter if SK decides to post their own ADIZ, they can't be too happy with Japan's ADIZ right up to their doorsteps.
 
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Cross posted from CDF:


So long as there's no shooting, this is probably a good thing for China. It allows the PLAAF to test their mettle and reaction times, which will provide a form of "training".

And more importantly, as long as china plays its cards right, it will significantly erode Japan's claim to the islands. The overlapping ADIZ will be an awkward fact for pro Japan mouth pieces to acknowledge, and many nations have ADIZ, it is a fundamental right for all nations.


Now the question is how will Japan respond? It's effectively in their court. I think any announcement short of "foreign military aircraft that enter senkaku airspace may be subject to shoot down" can be interpreted as backing down, but such a claim will effectively be a declaration of an air war.
Abe has his work cut out for him.
 
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It is a logical step for the PRC.

It is also a reminder to others, that if you want to tease a dragon, doing so by playing with fire, is perhaps not the smartest move!
 
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Wow, My favorite radio talk show actually talked about this possibility like almost a month ago. The Idz like the economic exclusion zone in international law are not meant to be hard territory claims they are meant as soft jurisdiction for civil laws. The IDz is meant to cover jurisdiction of civil air control and overlapping IDZs are common.
its a major political move, a big bite move by china in a effort to harden the cow tongue.
Its also something that could bite them back.
 
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I can't really see how this is a bad move by china.

It's not like they lack the assets to reinforce such an ADIZ. The only danger is if a PLAAF fighter gets shot down without retaliation leading to a lack of face but that's a question of tactical capability and training and is a constant danger with all real world military operations.


The ball is now in Japan's park to respond. They made a very public statement that they will shoot down foreign drones that enter their claimed airspace, if they don't apply that same standard to PLAAF military jets buckets of credibility will be lost.
Truckloads.

Abe has talked himself into a bit of a corner, I am very interested in seeing the Japanese response.
 
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Here is the game, the PRC now has placed Abe in a position where he has to back his claims. Traditional Chinese government logic is if he backs the claim, shoots down a aircraft of the PLAAF or any Chinese aircraft for that matter he starts the war, so the US sits it out.
but the situation has changed by this move. Because since 1812 there is only and truly one standard in American foreign policy. The US will always defend the right to navigation. IE. By making this move and forcing Abe the Chinese hope to call Japans' bluff, but by making this move it forces the US To back Japan no matter what. So it forces a broader conflict in the event of war.
that's how it could bite back. Now the question is what happens next? Already this week the Chinese did a near over flight of the disputed territory that was Monday I think. If the Chinese keep pointing aircraft to the Senkaku and back this, then its fighters that's a major game changer. Things get ugly then.
 
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If the miscalculation is that America will definitely intervene then you are probably mistaken. Chances of American intervention won't increase due to ADIZ, at least not directly. Yes, there will be mock "dogfights" between PLAAF and JASDF fighters, but at this point I don't see the US drastically changing its stance. Unless they want to help Japan shore up its own ADIZ, there isn't much they can directly do unless either side takes a shot (and that looks massively unlikely)

In principle at least, an ADIZ doesn't limit freedom of navigation. The US has its own vast ADIZ and so does Japan. There is no legal facade the US or Japan can sit behind to claim illegitimacy of China's own ADIZ.


This ADIZ will call Abe's bluff, yes. But it provides a good legal and logical basis for calling Japan's bluff instead of simply sending in fighters over Diaoyu for no reason. The threat of American intervention lay with this territorial dispute from the beginning. An ADIZ doesn't necessarily raise it. So I don't see how this move could possibly backfire in that regard.


Anyway this is my response to the chinese ADIZ in form of a meme

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not what Japan does every time they detect Chinese coast guard/AC/drone within the contested areas? So this is essentially just China formally announcing that they will now scramble jets and patrols etc in kind?
 
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