Early China: History, Legends, and Myths

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  1. B.I.B.
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    I like the Tang ceramic horses. Years ago I bought a Tang replica prancing horse and enjoyed the time looking at it until I accidentally broke it.

    https://www.pinterest.com/alansteggall/chinese-ceramics-tang-dynasty-c-ad-621-907/
     
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    Architecture wise perhaps? But what about all those artifacts and burial grounds of those times? I'm sure they still exist.
     
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    The main construction material by the romans was stone.
    The main construction material by the chinese till last century was wood.
     
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    Yes, luckily many artefacts still survive but still architecture means a lot. It helps you reimagine the ancient way of life (say, in the cases of European villages like Toledo). A few bowls and vases don't easily help you with that.

    This is true, but still, relatively speaking, there are very few city walls left.

    Don't get me wrong I have absolutely no intention to bash China or something, just that we have to acknowledge certain shortcomings and learn from it...
     
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    AS Duncanidaho said most of the historical building prior to Ming and Qing are made from wood and with constant war and uprising it is unrealistic to expect that they will survive into modern time
    Even the Japanese castle are not original they are rebuilt many times in century
    There are only few original castle even in Japan

    China is right now is busy trying to get rich But once it is done they will have time to reflect and take interest in their heritage I have no doubt about it
    All those building can be recreated no problem

    Even now with interest in travel and tourism many cities in China is sprucing up their historical building and in some cases recreated wall and castle like they did in Xian and Dandong, It is not authentic but who care

    Daming Palace
    Daming Palace National Heritage Park
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    The reconstructed Danfeng Gate of the Daming Palace
    Established 1 October 2010
    Location Xi'an, China
    Coordinates [​IMG]34.284°N 108.966°E
    Type Archaeological site and history museum
    Daming Palace
    Simplified Chinese
    大明宫
    Traditional Chinese 大明宮
    Literal meaning Palace of Great Brilliance[1]
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    Daming Palace National Heritage Park
    Simplified Chinese
    大明宫国家遗址公园
    Traditional Chinese 大明宮國家遺址公園
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    The Daming Palace was the imperial palace complex of the Tang Dynasty, located in its capital Chang'an.[2][3] It served as the royal residence of the Tang emperors for more than 220 years.[2]Today, it is designated as a national heritage site of China.[4] The area is located northeast of present-day Xi'an, Shaanxi Province.[5]
     
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    Understood with great respect, hence I was citing city walls as examples not wooden structures, and I never cited Japan either. It is exactly this 'not authentic but who cares' mentality that bugs me a little, but anyway there's nothing we can do now that it's done.
     
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    I know you never cite Japan but I just want you to know that many historical site is not original
    China did recreated many historical structure on the same site as the original One famous one is Leifeng tower in Hang zhou

    Leifeng Pagoda (Chinese: 雷峰塔; pinyin: Léifēng Tǎ) is a five-storey tower with eight sides, located on Sunset Hill south of the West Lake in Hangzhou, China. Originally constructed in the year AD 975, it collapsed in 1924 but was rebuilt in 2002. Since then it has been a popular tourist attraction.
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    Original pagoda in 1910 before the collapse in 1924

    The original pagoda was built in 975 AD, during Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period, at the order of King Qian Chu (born Qian Hongchu) of Wuyue. It was built to celebrate the birth of Qian Chu's son, born to Queen Yu. The Leifeng Pagoda was an octagonal, five-story structure built of brick and wood and with a base built out of bricks.

    During the Ming dynasty, Japanese pirates attacked Hangzhou. Suspecting the pagoda contained weapons, they burned its wooden elements, leaving only the brick skeleton, as can be seen from Ming paintings of the West Lake.

    Leifeng Pagoda was one of the ten sights of the West Lake because of the Legend of the White Snake.

    Later, due to a superstition that the bricks from the tower could repel illness or prevent miscarriage, many people stole bricks from the tower to grind into powder. On the afternoon of September 25, 1924, the pagoda finally collapsed due to disrepair.

    As for whether there was a mausoleum below, this was debated for years until finally radar was used to investigate. On March 11, 2001 the mausoleum was excavated and many artifacts were found, most notably a gold and silver coated hair of the Buddha.

    Reconstruction[edit]
    In October 1999, the provincial and municipal governments decided to rebuild Leifeng Pagoda on top of the ruins of the old one. The new pagoda opened on 25 October 2002. It is composed of a 1400 tonne steel structure with 200 tonnes of copper parts. It contains four sightseeing elevators, and modern amenities such as air conditioners, televisions and speakers. At the entrance of the pagoda there are two autonomous escalators to carry visitors to the base of the pagoda.

    The original base of the pagoda is kept in good condition as well as the artifacts discovered in an underground chamber.
     
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    There are still original wall city in China the famous one is Pingyao here it is
    Mostly from Ming and Qing era not as gracious and elegant as from the Tang era
     
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    The main reason China does not maintain much, proportionally speaking, of its historical buildings in its ancient cities is simply because people still live in those cities.

    It's not the Cultural Revolution that wiped out those historical buildings, it's the economic miracle of the 90's.

    For example, my grandmother used to live in a 100-year-old house located right beside an 800-year-old stone bridge. I vividly remember playing on that bridge with my dad. This was in the 80's, before I came to Canada.

    When I returned to visit in 92, the bridge had been torn down, and the canal it spanned was filled. I don't remember the reason, but I remember there were a lot of construction going on.

    My grandmother continued to live in that old house until one day, a ceiling beam broke and fell on her. Luckily, she only had superficial injuries. After that incident, my dad and my uncles helped my grandmother move to an apartment. The old house was torn down shortly after. These days, I think not even my dad can tell where the old house used to be, so much as changed.
     
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