Cyber Warfare

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    Since I'm not a computer programming expert, I see this as a lot of hype. So unless whoever is behind this has taken over anything with a computer in it, what makes this any different from any other said possible cyber attack spoken of before? So it can affect things mechanically. Can't a hacker do the same? The only difference is this can do it on its own and can be "specifically" targeted. Frankly has the Iranian nuclear program halted to a complete stop? Stuxnet was said to takes years and cost hundreds of millions of USD to develop and what did it accomplish? Something that cost that much and whoever created it just did most of the work for any hacker or computer programming expert to "mutate" this into countless other threats.

    Here's the problem if the US is behind this. The Pentagon just complained the last year about Chinese cyber espionage activities as possibly an act of war. What's this then? So are US departments not talking to one another? That's pretty irresponsible if the US is behind this and they make a statement that cyber espionage activity can be considered an act of war. And I don't really understand why the media is bragging about it because it's not like only the US and Israel can do this. It might just be a Pandora's Box they just opened. That's if it lives up to the hype which I'm skeptical in the first place.
     
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    Stuxnet was programmed to cause malfunction for very specific engines used for uran enrichment, a sabotage act.
    Flame is more espionage oriented.

    Historically, you could have carried out such acts by diluting the supply with faulty components or have someone make longterm destructive modifications to hardware. Our shift to software solutions means that software sabotage is on the rise. Stuxnet is a first test of such tools of software affecting difficult to reach hardware.
    Flame and the Chinese Trojans are classic espionage tools for SIGINT. The reports show a kind of double standard by assuming the good guys can do everything and everything the "future competitor" does is bad. Everybody complains about being spied at.
     
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    Pardon I forgot to mention the difference between Stuxnet and Flame but it has been reported developed from the same program.
     
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    Kaspersky Labs are pointing to USA/Israel.
     
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    For me, the more interesting question would pertain to the future rules on the data highway that is drifting into very lawless territory via these developments.
     
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    translation: the u.s regime is getting ready to do a false flag attack, and pin it on China
     
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    [video=youtube;Js52FjOsgPA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js52FjOsgPA[/video]

    I just saw this on CNBC. For a show about Chinese cyber espionage there was little evidence shown. Basically all the people interviewed were in the business of cyber security. That's like the robocalls I've gotten recently where they're trying to sell me on buying their security products by scaring me with government crime statistics. The guy from Nortel says evidence that China stole from the company and caused it to go bankrupt was the rise of Huawei happened at the same time. How about taking their products and seeing if it was exactly like Nortel? They didn't do that.
     
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    The dumb American public will soak up the the "Yellow Peril" espionage, economic threat like a sponge, especially in an election year.

    Note: The British MI5 have been actively recruiting "hackers" to work for them. Wonder what they would be doing?. So every country is at it. India should be extremely competent at this cyber espionage due to their developed computer software industry.
     
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    Hackers reveal critical vulnerabilities in Huawei routers at Defcon

     
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