CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[Deino]

Couple of new pictures uploaded today. We can see that most of the scaffolding is off the hull now, just waiting for them to paint the hull and polish up the island and flight deck a little. I think launch timeframe will be in line with existing predictions, i.e. some time in February to April.

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Are they really new and recent ??

The last images we saw, there was snow !

 

[delft]

I guess this is how you built a pier by lowering precast concrete block in parallel and close the opening then add the pier

He writes that caissons are sunk in two rows after which these and the space between them are filled. These caissons are similar to the caissons that were sunk off the Normandy coast after the invasion in 1944 to form two ports.

 

[Twix101]

Are they really new and recent ??

The last images we saw, there was snow !

Temperatures in Dalian are going positive again, hence the lack of snow.

 

[Intrepid]

Temperatures in Dalian are going positive again, hence the lack of snow.

This is an easy-to-understand explanation

 

[Sczepan]

From Henri K Qingdao naval base is enlarged and so do Linshui airbase in Hainan. The question why have 2 home ports one in Qingdao and one in Sanya?

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The recent satellite images of TerraServer, dated November 11, 2016, show that the work began at the Guzhenkou naval base, 50 km southwest of Qingdao City, to build a second aircraft carrier dock.
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The Guzhenkou naval base of the Northern Fleet

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The first aircraft carrier dock in Guzhenkou
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It can be seen from the satellite images that the prefabricated caissons were deposited at sea some 360 m west of the existing wharf and the backfilling appears to be underway to construct a second wharf, apparently of the same length as the first .

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The construction of this second dock Guzhenkou is undoubtedly anticipating receiving the new aircraft carrier Type 001A ,

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, the Chinese navy by 2019.
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Henri K.

that was I suspect long time bevor - remember? p

 

[FORBIN]

During several years the Liaoning was also annouced for be based to Sanya and finaly no but a 2nd pier to Guzhenkou don't mean sure the 2nd based there.

Yet sanya is the right port ofc for protected SSBNs in the SCS bastion the CV is a mobile air defense base as Soviet wanted used in Barents Sea, exist bases expecialy in Spratley for host fighters now regurlary a J-11 Rgt is deplyed with HQ-9 also but a CV in the sea is a different thing with escort a more robust AA defense.

And from Sanya Indian Ocean, Andaman Sea eventualy up to Persian Gulf are much more close areas with much civil cargos, tankers which going in China and her very big ports.
In more Chinese Allies ( there are few ) Pakistan, Myanmar, Bangladesh provide to China facilities for her warships.

In addition the passage btw Philippines - Taiwan eventualy up to Borneo is much less defended than the area Japan - Taiwan around Okinawa for going in the Pacific.

In more less vulnerable have 2 in 2 différents ports.

Right now my feeling is for Sanya.

For what i mean..

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[Richard Santos]

I am not sure if china is going for an SSBN bastion strategy in the South China Sea. For one thing the entire sea is shallow and ill suited for large nuclear submarine operation; and is ringed by less than completely friendly foreign states that can be used to assist in surveillance of the putative bastion. For another, it's not clear if china is developing SLBMs large enough, or SSBNs large enough to house them, to cover the US from the SCS.

Also, to make the small Chinese nuclear deterrence more credible, china should strive to threaten the US from as many directions as possible so as to increase the cost of ballistic missile defense. Doubling down on More or less the same threat tube does not maximize the efficacy of China's nuclear deterrence.

 

[SanWenYu]

entire sea is shallow

According to wikipedia, the average depth of SCS is more than 1200m. Its central basin is over 5500m deep. This is hardly a "shallow sea" for even the largest submarines.

 

[Richard Santos]

I stand corrected. I forgot the central basin is abyssal. I thought much of the sea was continental shelf.

 

[kwaigonegin]

By reason of geography, PLAN's SSBNs has to move past the SCS area otherwise they would be very restrictive in the areas of operations and high risk of detection from sensors, sonobouys, SSKs and SSNs. regardless of depth or even thermoclines in the SCS.

The best 'safe passage' to break into the Pacific would be the Luzon/Kyushu gap but that area is littered with SeaWeb undersea array and a host of other sensors not unlike the ones put in the GIUK gap but likely more modern and advanced. That route also takes them far away from mainland air defence and other assets.

On 5 March 2009, the USNS Impeccable was in the SCS very very close to Hainan Islands. Obviously the reason given was monitoring sub activity however ships like that do and can lay undersea sensors and detection arrays. I'm not saying she did but she got buzzed several times and even threaten however I can understand PLAN's concerns.

If PLAN ships are laying undersea sensors and arrays 70 miles off Groton, Bremerton, Kings Bay etc I would presume the USN would be a tad paranoid as well.