CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

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Hyperwarp

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Oh, or Fine art?

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Hui Tong seems think it maybe a follow on design to single JZY-01 technology demonstrator.

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... Therefore its main purpose has been to collect the structural and aerodynamic characteristics of a shipborne fixed-wing AWACS for a follow-on design, which is believed to be under development at 603/XAC. It could have three AESA radar antennas in a triangular configuration inside the rotodome, an arrangement similar to that of KJ-500 in order to provide a 360° coverage...
 

delft

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JZY-01 is obviously not designed for shipboard use. Not just the undercarriage but the whole structure need to be designed landing, vertical velocity 6 m/s for landing on a carrier v. 3 m/s on a runway and the horizontal forces when catching a landing wire, need to be taken into account when designing an aircraft for use on a carrier.
 

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JZY-01 is obviously not designed for shipboard use. Not just the undercarriage but the whole structure need to be designed landing, vertical velocity 6 m/s for landing on a carrier v. 3 m/s on a runway and the horizontal forces when catching a landing wire, need to be taken into account when designing an aircraft for use on a carrier.

I think we've all been pretty aware that the JZY-01 aircraft itself is not intended to be used on a carrier for quite a while now... it is merely a basic aerodynamic and possibly partial structural demonstrator..
 

delft

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I think we've all been pretty aware that the JZY-01 aircraft itself is not intended to be used on a carrier for quite a while now... it is merely a basic aerodynamic and possibly partial structural demonstrator..
I don't think much can be learned about the aircraft structure. There is only support for the radar antenna, which is well known from KJ-2000 and -500, and the tail that is very similar to that of USN E-2 from which little can be secret, if it ever was, after many years of use. Remains aerodynamics, the influence of the radar on the flow around the tail.
 

Intrepid

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... some things are wrong, such as the tailhook position, which is painfully obvious would be right where the cargo ramp is, for the depicted COD variant)
A light AEW aircraft should carry its radom near the centre of gravity and not far aft as an converted airliner can do. It would otherwise fall on its tail on a pitching carrier deck. And because of that the aircraft needs an other folding mechanism for the wing.
 

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Well, that particular design is clearly (IMHO) preliminary. but they are also thinking about it.

Their first need for such an aircraft is going to come along probably with 002 (as a CATOBAR carrier) once she is launched and starts working up her air wing.

Years away right now, giving them time to get there if they so desire.
 

MwRYum

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I think we've all been pretty aware that the JZY-01 aircraft itself is not intended to be used on a carrier for quite a while now... it is merely a basic aerodynamic and possibly partial structural demonstrator..
It's nothing more than to exploit the layout and to what extent they can squeeze the necessary mission package/s into a fusalage of certain size that can be carrier-deployable. Airframe wise more likely to begin with an entirely new model and new engines that has the necessary horsepower to fly it off the carrier.

If they opt to achieve a STOBAR design the challenge will be great and timeline will be tight, but a CATOBAR design will be easier to achieve and timeline will be more lax, as long as the prototype or LRIP batch is available around the time the 002 (the rumored catapult-equipped carrier) is in construction.

Also, if so such an airframe design is underway, that'd mean the 002 design has been finalized (the lift upper limit in size and capacity, plus the hanger dimensions will need to be finalized in order to give the airframe design team the upper limit they are allowed).
 

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Ongoing PLAN J-15 Pilot Qualifications on the Liaoning, CV-16, Aircraft Carrier[/url]

Recently another group of pilots went through initial qualification training off of the PLAN Aircraft Carrier, Liaoning, CV-16. They have certified several groups of pilots since commissioning the carrier. They seem to be using six to eight J-15 production aircraft each time they do this.

We known and have seen that the PLAN has received one or two "batched" of production J-15 aircraft totaling 18 aircraft. 100-117. In that time, aircraft number 117, along with its pilot was lost in a mishap, but they still have at least 17 aircraft, and indications are that another batch has been produced or is on the verge of being produced.

With the second Chinese carrier about to be launched within a few months, and strong indications that the initial manufacturing of a third carrier has begun, the Chinese are going to continue to need qualified pilots, so this endeavor will continue.

What follows is three posts of pictures from a documentary film the PLAN put out regarding this experience.

J15-Quals-01.jpg J15-Quals-02.jpg J15-Quals-03.jpg J15-Quals-04.jpg J15-Quals-05.jpg
 
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