CV-16 Liaoning Thread II ...News, Views and operations

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  1. asif iqbal
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    Carrier strike group right there

    4 x DDG
    2 x FFG

    Surely a SSN somewhere

    Missing is the tanker
     
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    Probably just a short trip, so to speak, a 1-day tour.
     
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    Shouldn't the tanker lag behind some distance away?
     
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    And the escorts should stay several thousand meters away - but not for a photo shoot. Then, as an exception, all ships of a taskforce come together.
     
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    I know SCMP isnt exactly loved here,but....

    Deputy head of Chinese shipbuilder sacked and expelled from Communist Party

    • Graft-buster finds Sun Bo guilty of trading power for financial gain and taking bribes
    • Sources say he was investigated for passing information about China’s first aircraft carrier to foreign intelligence agents

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...ese-shipbuilder-sacked-and-expelled-communist
     
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    This is just my opinion. But I think it is highly unlikely someone in that position would do that. Especially taking into consideration that the Liaoning is based on the Admiral Kuznetsov class, which has reasonably well known specs, and the Ukrainians leak intel like a sieve. He sounds just like another victim of Xi's anti-corruption campaign. It would be rather unsurprising if some graft was involved. But given that the Chinese government wanted the project to be done as quickly as possible I doubt it could have been done without burning some cash. In such kinds of strategic projects there are always cost overruns. Especially given a project like this I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't as much that he was bribed but that he had to bribe people to meet the schedule.

    It's almost like Xi has to purge everyone in any highly publicized project. It might be high speed rail or the carrier project. If he overdoes things, he might set China back, just like Mao did with his Cultural Revolution.
     
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    Painting of the deck has begun

    PLN CV-16 Liaoning - 20181220 - 1.jpg PLN CV-16 Liaoning - 20181220 - 2.jpg
     
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    Great photo

    Spoilt by those comic looking ancient Z8 SAR

    They even have Z18 based one now
     
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    So I was reading an old pb thread detailing what happened during the Liaoning cruise to Hainan in December 2013 when he was aboard as part of the J-15's data-gathering contingent and found something very interesting:


    Translated:

    I'm tired as hell. I lost five pounds and threw up dozens of times. Seasickness medicine had basically no effect. Maybe the waves were just too big. The ship-wide PA said we went through sea state 6... while at high speed! Absolutely torturous. We tested hangar and deck aircraft tie-down security in rough seas.

    On that note, this voyage tested the entire vessel's systems top to bottom, in addition to the escort vessels' electronic systems compatibility. A certain country's cruiser got wind of our intentions and furiously steamed straight towards our formation.

    "You actually saw the foreign ship?? Goddamn Yanks"
    I saw it but it was literally just a tiny black dot. If no one pointed it out to me, I would've thought it was sesame seed. It was erratically sailing left and right through our formation. As soon as it spotted the Liaoning, it stopped zigzagging and made a beeline for us but was stopped by one of our large ships.



    Doesn't this sound like a particular incident a few years back? It definitely reminded me of something so I went searching and found this: https://thediplomat.com/2013/12/uss...als-strategic-mistrust-between-u-s-and-china/

    Check the date, it matches up perfectly. Now we know what actually went on and why the PLAN chose to take drastic measures. Turns out the SOB was trying to sniff PLAN electronic emissions while they were testing intra-battle group electronic coordination. I'd have liked it if China had CCG 2901 or 3901 at their disposal back then. Instead of a 3000t LST, it would've been a 12,000t cutter muscling the Tico out of the way.

    In a later post, pb also said the order to interdict the Tico didn't come from the Liaoning's captain but from a rear admiral.
     
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