Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Blitzo

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What isn't being talked about as much is how quickly they managed to identify the cluster of symptoms (basically generic viral respiratory tract infection sx) in the middle of flu season, and to isolate and sequence this new virus in a few weeks is pretty damn impressive.

The initial paper detailing the process of discovery can be found here:
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More importantly, the speed with which national authorities have moved to respond to this epidemic is day and night compared to sars; and while there seem to have been questions around how quickly information on the ground in Wuhan were transmitted back to national authorities (potentially delaying national level responses), I think the degree of openness and the brisk move to install national level authorities to begin managing things on the ground is a reflection of a streamlined organizational structure.


Tracking this from what experts are saying online, I think the goal in the immediate future is to:
1. Develop an easier point of care diagnosis system (the current ones available are more complex and time demanding than preferable)
2. While the above is being done, have more capacity to diagnose patients in the interim using existing methods
3. Track the degree of human to human transmission/virulence/R0
4. Track any potential mutations of the virus if it occurs
5. A longshot -- develop a vaccine for the new virus, but as with many new viruses that is unlikely
6. Close down known hotspots on a case to case basis
And of course, the above must be done in a way that key information is conveyed to the public in a calm manner with adequate transparency.

From what I can see, the above all seems to be being done pretty well so far.

The actual fatality of the disease is not really something that people can alter and as a viral illness you can't give antibiotics, and antivirals aren't the silver bullet you're looking for either.
For viral conditions you give supportive measures, and it'll be the person's pre-existing comorbidities that will likely determine their eventual outcome.
 

localizer

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What isn't being talked about as much is how quickly they managed to identify the cluster of symptoms (basically generic viral respiratory tract infection sx) in the middle of flu season, and to isolate and sequence this new virus in a few weeks is pretty damn impressive.

The initial paper detailing the process of discovery can be found here:
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More importantly, the speed with which national authorities have moved to respond to this epidemic is day and night compared to sars; and while there seem to have been questions around how quickly information on the ground in Wuhan were transmitted back to national authorities (potentially delaying national level responses), I think the degree of openness and the brisk move to install national level authorities to begin managing things on the ground is a reflection of a streamlined organizational structure.


Tracking this from what experts are saying online, I think the goal in the immediate future is to:
1. Develop an easier point of care diagnosis system (the current ones available are more complex and time demanding than preferable)
2. While the above is being done, have more capacity to diagnose patients in the interim using existing methods
3. Track the degree of human to human transmission/virulence/R0
4. Track any potential mutations of the virus if it occurs
5. A longshot -- develop a vaccine for the new virus, but as with many new viruses that is unlikely
6. Close down known hotspots on a case to case basis
And of course, the above must be done in a way that key information is conveyed to the public in a calm manner with adequate transparency.

From what I can see, the above all seems to be being done pretty well so far.

The actual fatality of the disease is not really something that people can alter and as a viral illness you can't give antibiotics, and antivirals aren't the silver bullet you're looking for either.
For viral conditions you give supportive measures, and it'll be the person's pre-existing comorbidities that will likely determine their eventual outcome.

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I've been in contact with some people in China and it seems like companies already have some treatment options (Mostly targeting spike protein) that they will start trying.
 

Blitzo

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Keep it civil going forwards please. Any other pointed remarks or attacks will be deleted going forwards from here.

Edit: actually, on second thought, I'm just going to delete the above offending posts.
 
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localizer

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Truth is, if they handled ASF the same way they handled SARS-CoV, we wouldn't have such a huge shock to the pork supply.
 

Blitzo

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@maint1234

That is because your post was a pointed attack and no better in nature than the reply.

That is why I've decided to delete both of your posts, as well as replies subsequent to this.

If you start anything else of a similar nature in this thread or others, it will also be deleted. Counter troll comments from others are not desirable anymore than troll posts that incite them.
Consider this is a formal moderator decision.

Edit: in fact, I see that you were already permanently banned by @Deino. I'm a little bit confused as to why you are still able to post in this forum.
 

maint1234

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For a heavily controlled society, china seems to drop the ball on health related issues quite regularly. Even poor countries like pakistan, Afghanistan and other african countries dont seem to have the number of adulterated food scandals that china has.
I remember the milk powder, gutter oil and now these exotic animals scandals.
When everything is so controlled in China, how did this exotic market flourish ?
And now our company has stopped all travel to china for the next 2 months.
 

maint1234

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@maint1234

That is because your post was a pointed attack and no better in nature than the reply.

That is why I've decided to delete both of your posts, as well as replies subsequent to this.

If you start anything else of a similar nature in this thread or others, it will also be deleted. Counter troll comments from others are not desirable anymore than troll posts that incite them.
Consider this is a formal moderator decision.

Edit: in fact, I see that you were already permanently banned by @Deino. I'm a little bit confused as to why you are still able to post in this forum.
And why was I ever banned? This is a American site ? Isn't it ? You guys can't take a few pointed questions ? Being this thin skinned results in all the diseases that the Chinese face regularly. This is constructive criticism not trolling.
 

Blitzo

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There is a difference between constructive criticism and veiled attacks that are made in a manner knowing it will incite an inflammatory response in the community and userbase.
That is called trolling.

You've been repeatedly warned of similar behaviour last year as well, to a point where it was formally announced for you to be permanently banned for those infarctions.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/banned-warned-members-list.t54/page-82#post-569323



Furthermore, posts made in BLUE are formal moderator posts, and as per the rules they are not to be responded to.
I will be lenient with your previous reply, but further infarctions where you respond to blue coloured posts by moderators will result in automatic deletions of those relevant replies.
 

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Wuhan Virus Lockdown Casts Economic Cloud Over China’s Chicago
Bloomberg News
January 23, 2020, 9:20 PM EST
  • GDP of $213 billion in 2018 was bigger than New Zealand
  • City now in lockdown as China battles a new SARS-like virus
Wuhan’s status as a transport and manufacturing hub have fueled its economic rise and drawn comparisons with Chicago’s role as a pivotal city in the center of a giant economy.

Now, the fallout from its lockdown to contain the spread of a new
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is set to be amplified if logistics networks and the auto industry are interrupted across the city of about 11 million people."
 

ougoah

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For a heavily controlled society, china seems to drop the ball on health related issues quite regularly. Even poor countries like pakistan, Afghanistan and other african countries dont seem to have the number of adulterated food scandals that china has.
I remember the milk powder, gutter oil and now these exotic animals scandals.
When everything is so controlled in China, how did this exotic market flourish ?
And now our company has stopped all travel to china for the next 2 months.

Ebola was stpread in Africa. Also food related causes.

Size of market is the key. China's population is several times bigger than Pakistan, Afghanistan, and all of Africa combined. Risks are multiplied.
 
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