COMAC C919

Iron Man

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China is currently monopolizing the PROCESSING of rare earth minerals. NO other country could even compete against China in this important minerals. You can have all the deposits of rare earths in the world but if your country is NOT doing the processing the minerals for industrial use than it is basically sitting there useless. It's that simple. Even countries that mines rare earth minerals send their products to China to process it.
This is a complete and total non-issue. If a country is going to start up a rare earth mine independent of China it is not going to stupidly start wondering where the processing is going to happen at the last minute. It's not like somehow rare earth processing is some kind of industry secret. If (e.g.) the US restarts Mountain Pass because of Chinese embargo, it WILL stand up processing facilities as well, just as every other country that starts up new rare earth mines will.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Comac receive expected to receive more order for C919 via cirr from pakdef

COMAC eyes 750 orders for C919 jet

2017-09-16 11:15

China Daily Editor: Li Yahui

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C919 lands safely at Shanghai Pudong International Airport after its maiden flight at around 3.20 pm, May 5, 2017. (Gao Erqiang/China Daily)

Orders for the C919, the first large passenger aircraft produced in China in accordance with international civil aviation regulations, are expected to reach 750 by year's end, corporate officials told China Daily.

"We expect to receive more than 100 new orders for the C919 from some Chinese companies in the coming months," said Xu Pei, deputy chief of the marketing division of Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, the plane's Shanghai-based manufacturer.

The C919, which made its maiden flight on May 5, has a standard range of 4,075 kilometers, making it comparable to the updated Airbus 320 and Boeing's new-generation 737 planes.

The C919 has secured 600 orders from 24 customers both domestic and foreign. COMAC has received 34 orders from GE Capital Aviation Services, the largest commercial airline leasing company in the world, German start-up Puren Airlines, and City Airways of Thailand.

Boeing and Airbus have long dominated the passenger aircraft market, and the C919 is not meant to compete head-to-head with them in fully developed, mature markets.

"Our marketing team is focusing on three major target markets, which are our home market, Africa, and Southeast Asian countries involved in the Belt and Road Initiative," Xu said.

Hu Shuangqian, 57, who was a member of the manufacturing team for the Y-10, the nation's first locally made passenger aircraft, is now leading a team working on computerized controls at COMAC. He said he was lucky to be part of the project.

"Since the (Y-10) project was suspended in the 1980s due to various reasons, many of my former colleagues had been dreaming of another chance to build Chinese planes. They did not see that day before their retirement," said Hu.

Since its establishment in 2008, COMAC has worked on the regional jetliner ARJ21, the C919 and a wide-body aircraft to be jointly developed by China and Russia.

In November, COMAC published a report about the global passenger aircraft market between 2016 and 2035, predicting that a total of 39,948 aircraft with a value of $5.23 trillion will be needed in the coming two decades. China alone will need 6,865 passenger aircraft, 65.5 percent of which would be single-aisle planes, 21.2 percent wide-body jets, and 13.3 percent regional jets.

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Equation

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This is a complete and total non-issue. If a country is going to start up a rare earth mine independent of China it is not going to stupidly start wondering where the processing is going to happen at the last minute. It's not like somehow rare earth processing is some kind of industry secret. If (e.g.) the US restarts Mountain Pass because of Chinese embargo, it WILL stand up processing facilities as well, just as every other country that starts up new rare earth mines will.
Who is gonna pick up the bill to run that US Mountain Pass processing facility? US doesn't have much of an SOE to begin with anymore, never mind with a deficit budget to run it. Rare earth is not a "non issue" because you said so, without it there wouldn't be any high tech companies and air plane producing companies at all. Go ahead and underestimate it's important at your own peril. I have yet seen any country capable of challenging China's monopoly in the processing of heavy earth metals effectively. Have you? NO? I thought so.
 

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Who is gonna pick up the bill to run that US Mountain Pass processing facility? US doesn't have much of an SOE to begin with anymore, never mind with a deficit budget to run it. Rare earth is not a "non issue" because you said so, without it there wouldn't be any high tech companies and air plane producing companies at all. Go ahead and underestimate it's important at your own peril. I have yet seen any country capable of challenging China's monopoly in the processing of heavy earth metals effectively. Have you? NO? I thought so.
You don't seem to understand the difference between economic and strategic concerns. You also don't seem to understand economics at all. First, if China withholds rare earths from the market, prices will go up and many rare earth mines around the world that shut down because of China will become profitable again, no need for anyone to pick up any bill. Second, China doesn't have an intellectual monopoly on processing either, so processing rare earths will also become profitable. Third, if China seriously threatens US and Western strategic interests, it won't matter one shit what the actual cost of rare earths are, the US government can and will subsidize the production AND processing of rare earths to keep its strategic interests like its military and commercial hardware intact and running. You must think governments around the world are stupid people and will just throw their hands up in the air and say "oh well, the Chinese are refusing to send us rare earths, might as well shoot ourselves in the face and end it all". Your fanboistic wishful thinking that China controls rare earths in any and every scenario runs smack in the face of reality and rationality. 1) Rare earths are all over the world (they're not actually "rare"), 2) rare earths can be mined and processed profitably in the right circumstances, and 3) rare earths are valuable enough to nations that they will do whatever it takes to get their hands on steady supply. These are three facts which you are unable to understand or deal with because of your fantasy that China is the Master of Rare Earths.
 

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So there were indeed issues ...

BEIJING—The Comac C919 will probably make its second test flight in October, five months after it first flew. The program has had many issues since the May 5 first flight, says Comac Chief Designer Wu Guanghui. None of these has been the result of some fault on Comac’s part, Wu says, declining to give details. Meanwhile, ground tests are underway on the second of the six flight-test aircraft, says a spokesperson for the state company. ...

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asif iqbal

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Big order book but when are they going to be delivered

Longer it goes on more orders will cancel

Is ARJ21 in production yet ?

Have we got a factory which shows all the ARJ21 under construction?

How many orders for ARJ21?
 
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