Chinese UAV & UCAV development

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  1. TerraN_EmpirE
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    They should like shadow for UCAV names. I wonder how long until they get to Toruk “Last shadow”. :D
     
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    Maybe, but we don’t know the relative positions of the tow bar, the SUV and the drone.
     
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    Sharp Sword looks huge in comparison

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    Because the people are known to stand right next to it. While in case of the new aircraft, the photo seems to be taken by a telephoto lens or the original photo was highly cropped, FOV is highly compressed, so the drone looks much smaller than the person in the foreground.

    I don't mean to say whether this new drone is big or small, only that we can't tell from that photo.
     
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    Here is Henrik K take on Star Shadow
    http://www.eastpendulum.com/star-shadow-drone-dattaque-chinois-a-aile-volante
    Star Shadow: Another Chinese flying drone with flying wing
    BY
    HENRI KENHMANN
    2018-02-08
    After the first successful flight of its AT-200 , the largest cargo drone in the world with a carrying capacity of 1,500 kg, the Chinese UAS manufacturer Star UAS (朗 星 无人机 系统 有限公司) has once again Talking about him at the Singapore Airshow 2018, currently at the Changi Exhibition Center, his new military drone project called " Star Shadow ".

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    The model of the Star Shadow drone

    According to information provided by the Chinese manufacturer based in Chengdu, Star Shadow is a stealthy ground attack drone that is 23.95 meters long, 1.84 meters high and with a 15 meter long wing. The designers opted for a flying wing configuration, with a diamond fuselage, a long-span wing and double dorsal air intakes.

    The 4,000 kg maximum take-off drone is equipped with a ventral armament bay 2.5 meters long, 0.76 meters wide and 0.7 meters high, capable of carrying up to 400 kg. of ammunition.

    Its two TWS-800 turbofan engines are designed by Chengdu Zhong Ke Aero-engine, a subsidiary of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but no clarification has been given other than that it is suitable for a flight "high altitude", according to the interview conducted by our colleague Air Recognition. It is thought, however, that the figure 800 of its reference could correspond to a thrust of 800 kg on the ground, which gives a total thrust of 1,600 kg and gives a ratio T / W of the order of 0.4 which is consistent for a drone of this category.

    With such an engine, the speed of Star Shadow can reach 698 km / h for an endurance of 10 to 12 hours in flight.

    Star UAS did not give further details regarding the performance of its drone as well as the other payloads, but indicates that the radar's equivalent surface area of the craft will be 0.1 m². Compared to a new fighter jet with a frontal SER of 1 m², this level of observability makes it possible to reduce the enemy detection distance by half, so the reaction time at the same time, and will provide a tactical advantage not negligible for a platform dedicated to the removal of ground targets.

    CAN News, the press organ of China's largest aeronautic manufacturer AVIC, called the Star Shadow project the fruit of civil-military collaboration and supportive policies . Star UAS is expected to complete the development of its new military drone this year and is aiming for the first flight by 2019.



    It should be noted that the Star Shadow is at least the 5th flying-wing Chinese drone project known to date, after the Sharp Sword of the Shenyang 601 Institute (AVIC), Wing Loong Xof the 611 Chengdu Institute ( AVIC), China CASC Aerospace Group CH-805 and an ongoing project at NWPU University.

    This shows, on the one hand, the great interest shown by the major Chinese institutions in this kind of vector of the future, which has many advantages and not only in terms of stealth, and on the other hand the strong potential of this market, which few players have yet positioned.

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    The Sharp Sword drone of the Shenyang Institute 601 (AVIC)

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    A flying wing drone with interchangeable wings from the 611 Chengdu Institute (AVIC)

    We will also note the rise of Chinese manufacturers with a strong academic and academic "background" in the field of drones, while historically the skills and the market are jealously shared by the players in the aeronautics sector of one , and those of the aerospace sector on the other.

    And there are plenty of examples - among others, the case of Xi'an ASN Technology Group, which is neither more nor less a subsidiary of NWPU University and provides many tactical drones to the Chinese army every year. , or the Tengden Group (腾 盾 科技), which appears to be the showcase for UESC drones, as well as Beihang Zhang Ying (北航 长 鹰 航空 科技) markets HALE UAVs for the University of Aeronautics and Astronautics in Beijing .

    As for Star UAS, this young Chinese company founded in November 2015 counts among its main shareholders:

    • Institute of Engineering Thermophysics (IET), a subsidiary of the Chinese Academy of Sciences
    • The company Xianyang Pianzhuan, which holds 7% of the rhenium mines in China, a chemical element to achieve the high performance alloy for the engine stroke vanes
    • Chinese logistics giant SF Express, second largest Chinese distributor after China Post
    • The engine manufacturer Chengdu Zhong Ke Aero-engine, also a subsidiary of the Chinese Academy of Sciences
    • Other Chinese state and local government investment funds
    The Star Shadow would thus be one more example of the projects launched locally by the actors coming from the university world, who ambition to take its parts of the cake in a market in strong growth, in China as elsewhere.

    To be continued.

    Henri K.
     
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    Sounds like these Western drone-makers are getting more and more desperate by the day. Their paranoia will only continue increasing in the near term ... while the Chinese get more and more of their buyers.
     
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    When you hear your rivals talking smack about you to third parties, that's how you know you've got 'em on the ropes and they're scared.

    Is there any data that Chinese drones are less reliable/safe than their US/Israeli counterparts? There are so many Chinese models and improvements coming out every year, I can't even keep track of them performance-wise against their Western rivals but I know that if the Chinese variant is $5 million and the US $100 million (How is there a 20 fold difference now? Didn't the Chinese Predator rival cost $1 mill vs $4 mill for the Predator?), I'd rather buy 20 Chinese drones and send them in multiples on missions than buy that 1 US drone hoping nothing happens to it. Their reliability would have to be insanely bad for a buyer to not come out on top with this strategy.

    Joseph SONG LOL. When he was talking I bet people listening to him had to think about who "we" and "they" referred to LOL Seriously, I hope he's Korean; it pains me to see Chinese people confused like that.
     
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    It will eventually just like smartphone industry.
    On the manufacture side, US simply just give up.
     
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    I don't see that much difference in performance between predator and Wingloong II except the ceiling height and bigger engine and payload. Here is the latest from Oedo
    CASICの新型ステルス長時間滞空無人機が昨年12月に初飛行を行った。80%以上の新技術を採用し、主要仕様は世界先進的である。
    CASIC's new-type stealth long-haul unmanned aircraft performed the first flight last December. More than 80% of new technology is adopted, and the main specifications are world advanced.
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