Chinese UAV & UCAV development

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    That's because EMALS always has 2 lines of conductor running along the track and you can see traces of the 2 lines on the track that is said to be the EMAL type. Curious thing is the other track also has this double line running along the track but starting from the white section of the track. So the speculation of it being an EMALS type too is not without any basis.
     
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    I am skeptical about the "2 conductor lines -> EMALS" explanation. They could be just the edges of the covers of the tracks. The covers are metal and will meet the concrete trenchs, so two visible lines are no surprise. BTW, any part of launcher will be hidden except the top covers, so the lines can only be cover edges than something related to conductors.
     
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    Look at older pics when the tracks were being built. The trench of the thick launcher matches the width of the darken area
     
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    Wasn't it mentioned during Zhuhai that the export version of Cloud Shadow had a single engine while the domestic version had a twin engine?
     
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    it was "suggested" by someone on a forum here or on CDF or elsewhere, yes, but we never had any indication as to whether Cloud Shadow was actually directly tied to the twin engine HALE UAV


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    as for this uav, if it really does have the modifications for catapult launch and arrested recovery, then that is quite significant. HALE uavs that can be launched from carriers would provide quite an additional useful ISR tool.
    But I wonder if it has wings that can be folded. As useful as this capability would be, if its deck footprint is very large then it may not be worth it.
     
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    Not really -- by the phrasing of the rumour, there is no indication that its testing was only for the EM cat, and in fact we don't even know if it has been tested yet, only "presumably" for EM cat. In which case, it seems like the rumour is being generated based off the picture rather than having a rumour first independent of the picture.

    This is different to the J-15A rumour, which seemed to explicitly say that J-15A had been tested from the EM cat, and where a picture of J-15(A) from satellite near the catapults was then seen. In that case the J-15A test from the EM cat was independent of the picture.


    In other words, even if this uav was saddled atop one of the two catapults, it doesn't not provide any strong indication of which is EM and which is steam even if rumours indicate that a uav or an aircraft was undergoing EM catapult tests, because rumours saying XYZ is undergoing EM catapult tests does not preclude the possibility (what I would say inevitaiblity) of that aircraft also undergoing steam catapult tests as well.


    In fact, all satellite pictures showing aircraft on either catapult does not provide any ability for us to differentiate which is definitively EM and which is steam.
    The only definitive way of doing so would be for us to eventually have ground based video showing one or both of the catapults in operation and seeing which one doesn't emit steam and which one does, after an aircraft launch.
     
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    Cheap, less capable, knock-off, and of course, aero engines (as if they are used on these Chinese drones and are the constraining factor). These are the obligatory charges on Chinese aircraft these days, manned or unmanned. At least the author did not explicitly accuse Chinese of stealing drones technologies.

    Relatively speaking, the author of this report is actually quite positive about the success of Chinese drones, if you can bear with the usual grudging and filter out some of the noises that are necessary to make it palatable to the targeted readers of the report (How cash-strapped are Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates when it comes to buying these drones?).

    That the main argument why the Chinese drones are successful on the international market, is attributed to the unwillingness by the US to export its drones is not very convincing. What the customers need are drones to serve their purposes with good capabilities that do not break their banks. The Chinese drones offer comparable or at least close capabilities to the US counterparts in the same class, but at a fraction of the price. It's a no-brainier for them.

     
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    Quality is not really relevant when it comes it drones. Instead what's more important is will it do the job of watching my target and destroy it if I wanted it to. So it's irrelevant on the quality unless you believe a Chinese drone only last as long as a few sorties before it can't be used anymore. But then why would anyone buy it even at one-forth the cost if that were the case?
     
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    The double lines would not be the conductors itselves but the part of the structure holding the conductors that can be seen on the surface.

    On second thought, the narrower catapult is most likely not the EMALS type..
     
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    Check the pics of the prototype EMAL from before. It is the thicker one
     
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