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    Well Done Hendrik_ 2000. You are well versed in Chinese as well a Peranakan Cultures.
     
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    Thank you for the kind words. It make perfect sense since I am both baba and Chinese Anyway here is another interesting news NUS will unveiled the result of their 2 years Gnome research in the Baba DNA

    Nothing is more hotly debated in Peranakan community than the origin of the community Some people said there is no gene mixing what we see today is the result of "acculturation" of Chinese migrant in SEA because not that many family know who is this Malay great grand mother And there is no record. But many know who is their great grand father and which villages in Fujian province is their home town

    But Chinese chronicler and historian do record that in 1500's many Chinese trader kept female slave and have children with them. And we do have record of slave auction in Penang until WW1 even though slavery was outlaw but the British governor said he make exception because it bring happiness to the settlement
    Children were born and family were founded from this union. We are not ashame to the contrary we celebrate this cultural heritage

    Any where else mix blood are look down but not in SEA out of this mud bloom a beautiful cultural flower and the peranakan grew wealthy and become the leader of the Chinese community in SEA. the Japanese seem to be very interested in this culture and wrote many books (Ironic) when during the WWII some of the fiercest fighting is in Malay jungle between Chinese guerrilla and JIA. Not to forget Changi massacre where prominent peranakan were massacred
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/A...outheast-Asia-built-fortunes-and-kept-secrets

    After Zheng He’s death in 1433, Fei Hsin, a scholar who had been on the admiral’s ship, wrote in Hsing-ch’a sheng-lan ‘The Overseas Survey of the Star Raft’ that besides darker-skinned people, he had also seen fairer-looking people of Chinese descent in Malacca (Fei 1436
    https://unravellingmag.com/articles/baba-malay/
    Fei, Hsin. 1436. Hsing-ch’a sheng-lan: the overall survey of the Star Raft. (Republished in South China and Maritime Asia. 4. Translated by John Vivian Gottlieb Mills. Edited and annotated by Roderich Ptak.) Wiedsbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag.). A century later, in 1537, a Chinese traveller by the name Hwang Chung, wrote in his travel journal, Hai yu‘News from the Ocean’, that the Chinese in Malacca ate pork, lived in hotels, and had female slaves who served them food and drink (Groeneveldt 1880

    Groeneveldt, W.P. 1880. Notes on the Malay Archipelago and Malacca: Compiled from Chinese Sources. Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap van Kunsten en Wetenschappen. 39: i-x. 1-144.
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    Peranakan ancestry___www.peranakan.org.sg_wp-content_uploads_2018_09_Peranakan-Magaz.jpg
     
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    Reflecting on that new blockbuster movie Nezha (2019), I found it very interesting that although the sinology academia in the US, Europe, Japan, Israel and China all have produced extensive studies and discoveries, they simply don't get much publicity outside of academia.

    For example, even most Chinese people don't know the origin of Nezha or his father Li Jing.
    Most Chinese people don't know that there are two Li Jing:

    1. The mythological figure that is treated as a Chinese incarnation of Vaiśravaṇa (first of the Four Heavenly Kings in Buddhism) that appeared in both The Journey to the West and The Investiture of the Gods and earlier folk tales, the other is
    2. A real life Tang dynasty military genius. (Tang dynasty was very militaristic and saw a frenzy of Vaiśravaṇa worship). Vaiśravaṇa was worshiped as a god of war in Buddhism.

    People are still debating how exactly these two figures are related.

    The same complexity goes for Nezha. The name Nezha (哪吒) is basically a short form of "那吒矩缽羅", one of many different Middle Chinese transliteration of Nalakuvara, the son (or grandson) of the Hindu Yaksha King Kubera. Kubera is the equivalent/Origin of Vaiśravaṇa. Therefore Nazha/Nalakuvara then became the son of Vaiśravaṇa (Li Jing) in Chinese mythology.

    P.S. An Israeli sinologist says that Nezha's could be a combination of Nalakuvara and the Child god Krishina.

    What's more interesting is that the "godly agent"/deus ex machina of the whole Nazha story of death and rebirth is an all powerful Daoist Imortal/god Tanyi Zhenren. This whole thing is extremely interesting!
     
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    The reason I want to point out the story Nezha is that this whole birth-death-rebirth of a child god story is giving me a lot of insights into the depth of the effort of cultural/civilization revitalization after the destruction of Mongol invasion in China, now that we have a more in depth idea of the origins and genealogies of the hugely influential mythological figures in Ming-Qing dynasty China.
     
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    I think the mythological Li Jing is certainly inspired by the real life Tang Dynasty general Li Jing. Li Jing the great Vaiśravaṇa is a analogy of the impact of the achievements of the real life general Li Jing, not just because he is a one-in-a-thousand-year genius of military theory. But because his most significant contribution resulted in the conquest of the Southern Liang Dynasty by Tang Dynasty, the destruction and absorption of the Eastern Turkic/Göktürk Khaganate by the Tang dynasty, as well as the destruction of the Tuyuhun Kingdom by the Tang dynasty. This, I think, make him into a godly figure which represents the fundamental power that held the Chinese Imperial Order together, on a civilizational level: overwhelming military might achieved by a tyranical destructive patriarchal strength. This would mean that what Nezha represents is the power of the rebellious chaotic individual, which opposes this patriarchal strength.

    In this case, I think the story of Li Jing and Nezha, father and son, gave us an idea of two equally powerful competing spirit. One is the collective will of a large structure of people, the other is the absolute individual. This duality is more thoroughly examined in the Ming dynasty classic novel The Water Margin. I dare to say that the story of Nezha is the spiritual prelude of The Water Margin.
     
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    When we examine The Water Margin, we can see that in the entire book, there are almost no mythological/supernatural elements except at the very beginning of the book, where it explained that the original of the 108 heroes are incarnation of the "108 Stars of Destiny" (天罡地煞星), which gives them mythological origins. These Stars are agents of chaos in Chinese mythology. One of the things I found intriguing is that these 108 heroes are incredibly individualistic. They form no command structure under the principles of traditional Chinese Legalism, or imperial meritocratic statecraft. Their conclave formed by a sense of brotherhood and individual choice. They are not bound by social norms and rules, but by their individual moral principles/value systems.

    Thus I dare to say that, contrary to main-stream literary/political science critique, I don't believe the book endeavors to demonstrates the tragic failure of the heroes to "correct the world of its evils” which many believe to mean that they should have overtook and overthrow the Song dynasty in the book. I believe the author meant to demonstrate to us that the structure of the conclave of those heroes are in nature the total opposite of the structure of the imperial order of the Chinese dynasty. And because of this difference in nature, one can never replace the other.

    The nature of Water Margin heroes are that of a conclave/congregation of sovereign individuals whose actions that are only ruled by their own individual moralities and value systems.

    The nature of the Chinese (Song) Dynasty is the value and survival of the collective: the behaviors of the individual members of the collective is governed by the social norm and rules that was architectured to ensure the survival of the collective often at the expense of the individual.

    This is the "Grand Duality", the foundation of civilization of post-mongol China. Both are equally alive, powerful and important.
     
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