Chinese radar locks onto Mirage fighter jet

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Chinese radar locks onto Mirage fighter jet

By Brian Hsu
STAFF REPORTER
Monday, Mar 12, 2001,Page 1

Advertising Chinese anti-aircraft radar locked onto a Mirage 2000-5 fighter plane last week as the jet cruised along the middle line of the Taiwan Strait, a defense source said yesterday.
The incident was the first of its kind since August, when two Mirage fighters experienced similar challenges from Chinese anti-aircraft radars while patrolling the Taiwan Strait, the defense source said.

The latest incident was reported yesterday by ETToday, an Internet news service.

The August incident occurred while two Mirage fighters based in Hsinchu were patrolling the northern coastline at an altitude of about 10,000m.

The two planes then found themselves locked on by radar beams sourced from China's southeastern coast.

Air force officials later learned that the beams were from a radar that was guiding a Russian-made S-300 air defense system in Fujian Province.

Fearing further action from Chinese military, the air force scrambled two IDF fighters to aid the Mirage jets.

The result was a temporary standoff between the two sides of the Strait, which lasted for three hours before China stopped the lock-on attempts.

Crossing the line
* China and Taiwan have a mutual understanding that flying combat planes near or across the middle line of the Taiwan Strait could be taken as a provocative action.
* The incident is similar to one in August last year when radar beams from a defense system in Fujian Province locked onto two Mirage planes patrolling the north coast.

Source: Taipei Times



Last week's incident was similar to the August episode, defense sources said.

"The Mirage seemed to be flying a little left of the middle line of the Strait at the time," the defense source said.

"Although the middle line is imaginary, the two sides of the Strait share a mutual understanding that flying near or across the line by combat planes of either side could be taken as a provocative action."

The defense source said the Mirage pilot attempted to evade the lock-on attempts through certain maneuvers specific to the advanced fighter aircraft.

"He gave up the efforts after he was warned by military air controllers in Taiwan that his efforts might enable the enemy to learn the kinds of maneuvers a Mirage could do in order to avoid radar lock-on," the source said.

Erich Shih (施孝瑋), a senior editor with Defense International magazine, said that the series of lock-on attempts against Mirage planes might have something to do with the "egos" of the fighter planes' pilots.

"Mirage pilots seem to think very highly of themselves. They tend to show off too much sometimes. Their F-16 equivalents do not like them for their showy attitudes," Shih said.

"I cannot judge whether last week's incident was caused by the Mirage pilot himself. But I do notice that Mirage pilots in general think more highly of themselves than they actually are," Shih said.

"By the time the F-16 fighter is equipped with the advanced AIM-120 air-to-air missile, the Mirage will be no match at all," Shih added.

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The_Zergling

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I'm curious. On what authority does Erich Shih say, "The M2000 pilots are cocky, the F-16 pilots don't like that". I mean seriously... huh? By the time the F-16 is equipped with AMRAAMs, the Mirage will be nothing at all...

I mean, what is this guy? Is he a military analyst?
 

DPRKPTboat

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I wondr what the PRC view of this is. The Chinese generals would probably see this as a triumph of their air defence system, since it shows their missiles can lock onto a modern western aircraft accurately. It'll probably also make the Taiwanese air force think twice about sending fighters near the mainland, and the Americans about sending their spyplanes near Chinese coasts.
 

SampanViking

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Reading to all of your avid discusion regarding this event, I was just wondering if you were all aware that the articles by-line is March 12th 2001.

This is not exactly breaking news.:D
 

DPRKPTboat

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SampanViking said:
Reading to all of your avid discusion regarding this event, I was just wondering if you were all aware that the articles by-line is March 12th 2001.

This is not exactly breaking news.:D

It does not matter when it happened, as it gives us some ideas about the current level of tensions between Taiwan and China. Besides, the article says that a similar incident happened the previous year, so this type of incident must occur often. Does anyone know if an incident like this occured recently? I'm surprised no aircraft haven't been fired upon yet.
 

The_Zergling

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Well, considering the fact that since they can tell it's a Mirage 2000 when they lock onto it, they probably will come to the conclusion that it's not going to be a threat to their forces on the ground. (They being the PRC here)

In that aspect, you could arguably say that the M2000 wasn't a threat in the situation (No heavy air to ground missiles, for instance), and starting off a war attacking a "harmless" aircraft isn't going to be all that desirable. If the Mirage shot down a Chinese aircraft that would obviously be a different story.

A very simple and incomplete explanation for the reason that their hasn't been any unpleasant incident recently, but I suppose it works out.

And yes, I did note that the article was an old one, but I guess it's still worth thinking about.
 

WEN?

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umm just asking but does the US really spy planes these days?? i mean they already have satelittes, isn't that enough??
 

vincelee

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sats can't pick up communication radiation emissions unless it's directed at the sat. Why did you think the EP-3 incident happened?
 

The_Zergling

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In addition I'd guess that satellites might have possible line of sight problems (by this I mean problems getting good photographs), what with cloud cover and all. It's possible aircraft (being able to fly below the clouds) could get stuff that the eyes in the skies can't. Of course, this could be a non-factor, considering that most spy planes probably fly above the clouds anyway. Depends on what kind of spying they're engaging in, I guess.
 
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