Chinese purchase of Su-35

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“They cannot produce engines,” Buzhinsky said. “We agreed to supply engines for the Su-35, but fortunately—my technical colleagues told me—that it is practically impossible to copy that engine because it is practically impossible just to reach the heart of the engine without breaking it completely.”

Wow, so much of disparaging comment. Is the news/guy serious?

"....because it is practically impossible just to reach the heart of the engine without breaking it completely. "

That would mean that the engine is built to be non-maintainable or non-repairable. :eek:
 

Preux

Junior Member
Of course Buzhinsky's serious. He works with a US neo-conservative think tank, as a retired army general. He'll say whatever gets them the next consultation contract.

I don't think you guys know what PIR Center really is. On the board - Yuri Fedorov.
 

Insignius

Junior Member
Russia's arrogance towards China is just the last bit of White-Man's haughtiness combined with their long forgotten Glory of the USSR.

Latter is quickly fading, but former, the racial aspect, will remain for a long time.
 

tidalwave

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Russia's arrogance towards China is just the last bit of White-Man's haughtiness combined with their long forgotten Glory of the USSR.

Latter is quickly fading, but former, the racial aspect, will remain for a long time.

what China needs to do is have WS15 ready to demonstrate its supercrusing and thrust vectoring ability and that should put those Russians into their places. They are nothing but outdated forever.

Those russians know their places. They are quite humble and begging China to buy II-76, AL-31F, helicopters and desperately wants to be part of C929.

If China has any balls, it should freeze those SU35 and S400 deals and work hard have somethings better than them.

It should become the rallying Cry, the Sputnik moment. From that moment, China will never buy anything Russian equipments forever.
 
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tidalwave

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China ready to cancel Su35 and S400 all toegether and ready Ban all Russian Equipments.

While I am posting this, I saw ASIANA AIRLINES posting a Chinese AD on the left side. What the heck?
Shouldn't they post English or Korean, they are from Korea. It's not right for a Korean company to post all Chinese words AD on a English Website. It's misleading. They should stick to Korean words.
 
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taxiya

Brigadier
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Calm down gents. It's too harsh to go from "rejecting Su-35 deal being real" to "bashing Russians all together".

Put aside motivation and emotions aside, the plain facts are:
  1. China could/can not get C-17 and F-110, while USSR/Russia were willing to sell IL-76, IL-78 and AL-31F.
  2. China's source of Blackhawk was cut off after 24 pieces, how many Mis China have gotten?
  3. Except Russia, who else in the world is willing and able to work with China on large airliner? China advanced a lot these years. But Soviet made their C929 equivalent in 1993. That experience is very valuable, even if their technology is outdated, their lessons are still great input to C929.
The Sino-Soviet relationship turned south exactly because of Soviet arrogant towards China. The price of that breakdown is the catastrophic death of Soviet Union. I am not sure if the Russian population learnt that lesson well, but I am sure the Russian leadership learnt it. And more importantly, Chinese leadership learned that too. So for China to be arrogant and hold grudge against Russia/Soviet's past mistake will only be foolish and hurt China. Don't make the same mistake just because others did.

It is not about a competition of balls which is never appreciated by Chinese strategists. It is about national interests in the long run.
 

tidalwave

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Registered Member
Calm down gents. It's too harsh to go from "rejecting Su-35 deal being real" to "bashing Russians all together".

Put aside motivation and emotions aside, the plain facts are:
  1. China could/can not get C-17 and F-110, while USSR/Russia were willing to sell IL-76, IL-78 and AL-31F.
  2. China's source of Blackhawk was cut off after 24 pieces, how many Mis China have gotten?
  3. Except Russia, who else in the world is willing and able to work with China on large airliner? China advanced a lot these years. But Soviet made their C929 equivalent in 1993. That experience is very valuable, even if their technology is outdated, their lessons are still great input to C929.
The Sino-Soviet relationship turned south exactly because of Soviet arrogant towards China. The price of that breakdown is the catastrophic death of Soviet Union. I am not sure if the Russian population learnt that lesson well, but I am sure the Russian leadership learnt it. And more importantly, Chinese leadership learned that too. So for China to be arrogant and hold grudge against Russia/Soviet's past mistake will only be foolish and hurt China. Don't make the same mistake just because others did.

It is not about a competition of balls which is never appreciated by Chinese strategists. It is about national interests in the long run.

No man, Russians turned around because Trump won. It's so clear.
 

tidalwave

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China is very much indebted to Ukraine for its overall military modernization. Those are the trust worthy people. China has the Carrier, J15, Cruise missile, 052C/D nowadays all because of Ukraine.
China should support Ukraine. Russians are untrustworthy backstabbers.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
No man, Russians turned around because Trump won. It's so clear.
well, so far what is clear to me is only words of improving the Russian-US relationship which is at its bottom. I don't agree anyone has turned around yet, neither Putin, nor Trump.

Most importantly, one can not take improvement of another two people's relationship automatically as being against oneself, that is paranoia, that is the mentality of many western politicians who have been trying to blacken China's friend-making in Africa, Asia and South America. Again, I don't agree with that behavior, not only by my principle, but because of its damaging effect.
 
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