that sounds pretty much like a yes to me.
And the S-400 sounds like an affirmative too! so China is getting both of these toys S-400 & Su-35. It really looks like Russia-China defense cooperation has definitely been upgraded to a new level.
Chinese purchase of Su-35
- Thread starter flyzies
- Start date
that sounds pretty much like a yes to me.
And the S-400 sounds like an affirmative too! so China is getting both of these toys S-400 & Su-35. It really looks like Russia-China defense cooperation has definitely been upgraded to a new level.
Surely they aren't paid by the word?
According to this Russian news, S-400 contract has not signed (Translation Needed).
俄称中俄又要签军贸大单 正就S400导弹进行谈判
据俄罗斯卫星网叶卡捷琳堡11月25日电 俄罗斯总统军事技术合作问题助理弗拉基米尔·科任表示，俄罗斯在与中国就供应S-400防空导弹系统进行谈判。
科任在回答是否在与中国就供应S-400导弹系统进行谈判的问题时，对记者称：“是的，谈判正在进行“。
他被问及有关日期的确认性问题时回答说：“签署合约后，我们会公布相关信息。”
在此之前，中俄两国已经签订了苏35战机的采购合同。据俄罗斯“卫星新闻网”11月19日援引《生意人报》周四报道称，俄罗斯和中国签署了供应24架多功能战机苏-35的最大军机合同，交易额达20亿美元。
俄罗斯国家工业和科技集团(Rostec)总经理谢尔盖•切梅佐夫证实了关于此交易的消息，《消息报》援引他的话称："关于向中国交付苏-35的长期谈判已结束，我们签署了合同。"
报纸援引军事技术合作领域知情人士消息称，按照合同规定，中国空军将得到24架战机，总价约20亿美元(每架约8300万美元)。
（新浪军事）
俄称中俄又要签军贸大单 正就S400导弹进行谈判
据俄罗斯卫星网叶卡捷琳堡11月25日电 俄罗斯总统军事技术合作问题助理弗拉基米尔·科任表示，俄罗斯在与中国就供应S-400防空导弹系统进行谈判。
科任在回答是否在与中国就供应S-400导弹系统进行谈判的问题时，对记者称：“是的，谈判正在进行“。
他被问及有关日期的确认性问题时回答说：“签署合约后，我们会公布相关信息。”
在此之前，中俄两国已经签订了苏35战机的采购合同。据俄罗斯“卫星新闻网”11月19日援引《生意人报》周四报道称，俄罗斯和中国签署了供应24架多功能战机苏-35的最大军机合同，交易额达20亿美元。
俄罗斯国家工业和科技集团(Rostec)总经理谢尔盖•切梅佐夫证实了关于此交易的消息，《消息报》援引他的话称："关于向中国交付苏-35的长期谈判已结束，我们签署了合同。"
报纸援引军事技术合作领域知情人士消息称，按照合同规定，中国空军将得到24架战机，总价约20亿美元(每架约8300万美元)。
（新浪军事）
Schumacher
Senior Member
LOL, a fighter that not even India, Vietnam, Indonesia and other Flanker operators want ? I'm sure it'll be a good replacement for J7/J8 in PLAAF though.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
LOL, a fighter that not even India, Vietnam, Indonesia and other Flanker operators want ? I'm sure it'll be a good replacement for J7/J8 in PLAAF though.
The Su35 is undoubtedly a good fighter. It just doesn't really bring anything to the table that would warrant the cost of it and the extra logistical burden it would create over buying more of the Flanker variants those countries already operates.
For China, this deal is first and foremost politically driven. Its doing Russia a solid.
If the reports are true that Russia has given in to Chinese demands to install their own radar and avionics, it means China does not need to buy Russian munitions for the Su35s, which will make the logistical and training costs far smaller.
With China likely to also buy AL41s for at least its initial production J20s, that will further reduce the logistical burden of adding the type of the PLAAF inventory.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
My question is that if the Chinese chose to retrofit the Su-35s with their own avionics, sensors, electronics, and weapons, why are they paying ~$80 million a pop, which is far more than if they had bought the entire Su-35 package in the first place?
Secondly, the report suggests that the Su-35 has become a point of "collaboration" between the two countries. Could it be that both China and Russia are jointly developing an upgraded variant, this time with Chinese electronics coupled with a Russian 117S engine? That would be the ultimate air superiority fighter.
Secondly, the report suggests that the Su-35 has become a point of "collaboration" between the two countries. Could it be that both China and Russia are jointly developing an upgraded variant, this time with Chinese electronics coupled with a Russian 117S engine? That would be the ultimate air superiority fighter.
Yup, any difficult announcement gets flicked to the Dept of Convolution for composition.