Chinese oversea bases

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An unspecified Japanese naval ship sent frogmen to approach the 2 PLAN vessels in Dijbouti according to prosecutor Jian Jiamin. The incident was reported with evidence to local authorities, and the personnel will start using light and verbal'cues to warn off future intrusions. The time of the incident was unspecified but it is after both ships arrived.

He 'advised' ships to take "necessary measures to stop [the encroachment] or even to exercise its self-defence rights", could this mean other anti-frogmen techniques?

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If those Japanese frogmen can be easily detected and deterred than I don't wanna here anymore about JMSDF "professionalism and well train" they are. They clearly show their intent on violating the PLAN navy vessels safety zone by trying to spy on it.

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If those Japanese frogmen can be easily detected and deterred than I don't wanna here anymore about JMSDF "professionalism and well train" they are. They clearly show their intent on violating the PLAN navy vessels safety zone by trying to spy on it.

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I think that's just part of the overall game and just have to put up with it.
A couple of years ago Chinese communication ship call in and berth opposite our naval base. It was bristling with the latest gear. Do you really think it would have turned the equipment off?


thinking about it a bit more, it was one of their satellite tracking ships

What's does international law say on unannounced frogmen in someone else's territorial waters and ports?

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What's does international law say on unannounced frogmen in someone else's territorial waters and ports?

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If the country is big enough, they can just ignore international law.
Have you heard of the rainbow warrior affair?... where two French secret agents put on frogmen gear and placed a limpet mine against a Greenpeace ship.?





The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, codenamed Opération Satanic, was a bombing operation by the of the French foreign , the Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure (), carried out on 10 July 1985. During the operation, two operatives sank the of the fleet, the

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in the port of , on its way to a protest against a planned French in . , a photographer, drowned on the sinking ship.

France initially denied responsibility, but two French agents were captured by and charged with arson, to commit arson, , and murder. As the truth came out, the scandal resulted in the resignation of the .

The two agents pleaded guilty to and were sentenced to ten years in prison. They spent just over two years confined to the French island of before being freed by the French government.

Note. The French used bully boy tactics to get the agents released and placed under their custody.
Two years in a south sea paradise prison where they were allowed to hump away and have a baby?
and then get awarded some service medal upon their return home.

I can't remember, but does the article say the frogmen were clearly identified as Japanese?., afterall there is an American base there as well..

IMO , the PLAN if they suspected it was the japanese, to in turn, spy on their ship.

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A mealy mouthed expression. Better call it the terrorist branch.

Equation said:

If those Japanese frogmen can be easily detected and deterred than I don't wanna here anymore about JMSDF "professionalism and well train" they are. They clearly show their intent on violating the PLAN navy vessels safety zone by trying to spy on it.

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not to worry it's just some dirty jappys snooping around. no big deal

New Djibouti wharf ...

China plans to build Djibouti facility to allow naval flotilla to dock at first overseas base

New wharf will allow PLA navy to offer support for vessels taking part in anti-piracy patrols off the Somali coast


PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 27 September, 2017, 10:02am
UPDATED : Wednesday, 27 September, 2017, 10:04am

(SCMP) The wharf project will be started only when construction work on accommodation for the People’s Liberation Army marines, engineers and workers stationed in the Horn of Africa nation is completed, one of the sources who is familiar with the project told the South China Morning Post.

“Projects such as the multi-purpose naval wharf are complicated. The Chinese navy needs a large-scale pier to offer logistical support for its flotillas conducting anti-piracy operations in Somali waters,” the source said.

“The scale of the wharf should allow for the docking of a four-ship flotilla at least, including China’s new generation Type-901 supply ship with a displacement of more than 40,000 tonnes, destroyers and frigates, as well as amphibious assault ships for combat and humanitarian missions.”

China began building what it describes as a 36-hectare logistics base in Djibouti last year, but satellite images suggest its docking facilities for naval vessels, barracks and other pieces of military infrastructure are still under development.

The base lies next to the Doraleh Multipurpose Port, operated by DP World and China Merchants Holding.

The source said Beijing was considering the possibility it would have to assist in the mass evacuation of Chinese citizens in an operation similar to the one conducted in war-torn Yemen in 2015 – meaning the capacity of the wharf would be designed to be as “big as possible” to allow more warships to dock.

Beijing said the base would resupply vessels taking part in peacekeeping and humanitarian missions off the coasts of Yemen and Somalia.

But another source close to the navy said the wharf had originally been designed as a “naval maintenance and repair port” because of an “accident” in 2010.

“China decided to set up a ship maintenance and repair stop in Djibouti after the power system of its Type-052B destroyer Guangzhou broke down when it was carrying out anti-piracy missions in the Gulf of Aden in May of 2010,” the second source said.

“Sailors on the Guangzhou were facing the most embarrassing situation as they didn’t know where they could go and who they should seek help from because Beijing and Djibouti hadn’t formally set up military ties in that time.”

The African nation is at the southern entrance to the Red Sea along the route to the Suez Canal and is sandwiched between the coasts of Eritrea and Somalia.

It also hosts US, Japanese and French bases.

Djibouti was a former French colony before it became independent in 1977. Paris has continued to provide security and economic assistance and the French navy maintains its largest military base in Africa there.

In 2010 only France offered assistance to the Chinese navy by inviting it “to pay a friendly diplomatic visit” to its naval base, the source said.

According to a People’s Liberation Army Daily report from that year, a Chinese peacekeeping flotilla including the Guangzhou berthed at a naval base in Djibouti for a five-day maintenance and supply port call, but the report failed to specify which country’s base the Chinese warships had docked in.

The Guangzhou’s engine breakdown further strengthened the Chinese navy’s ambition to set up a permanent overseas base near the pirate-infested Somali waters of the Gulf of Aden, the source close to navy said.

“Anti-piracy and other peacekeeping missions are all long-term strategies related to China’s national interests. It needs to set up a multi-purpose overseas military base as an intermediate terminal for warship maintenance and repair, and let its sailors take a rest,” the source added.

Beijing on August 1 announced that Djibouti base had been formally established, with the first Chinese marines stationed there departing on July 11.

Last Friday, the Chinese troops staged their first live-fire drills in what military analysts said was a major show of combat readiness.

The Chinese navy joined the United Nations’ anti-piracy mission in late 2009 to escort merchant vessels in the area, vital waterway for China’s oil supplies and trade.

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Yup they certainly need repair and rest facility. Here is the detail description of the facility seem very nice and comprehensive, comfortable by Raj 47

Here is the video of the first exercise outside the fort But they need to chuck off the smurf outfit
China’s mega fortress in Djibouti could be model for its bases in Pakistan
27 September, 2017


China's military base in Djibouti | Screengrab: CCTV
It is called a ‘logistics base’ but the 200-acre facility built by China can accommodate a brigade and has unprecedented security arrangements

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China has opened its first overseas base at Djibouti in the strategically located Horn of Africa. China began negotiations with Djibouti in early 2015 that culminated into a 50-year lease for what is being termed as a logistical support base.

The work on the 200-acre facility started in March 2016, along with the
construction of Doraleh Multipurpose Port by China State Construction
Engineering Corporation (CSCEC) and is still continuing at a very fast pace.

The Chinese have always claimed that Djibouti is simply a logistics base
that will resupply naval vessels taking part in peacekeeping and
humanitarian missions until recently when the official voice Xinhua stated
that the base will also be conducive for overseas tasks, including military
cooperation, joint exercises, evacuating and protecting overseas Chinese and
emergency rescue, as well as for jointly maintaining security of international
strategic seaways.

Satellite images analysed by ThePrint, however, indicate that a massive
fortress is being constructed that can easily accommodate over a brigade
strength force, has an unprecedented four-layered security ring and can
handle a dozen helicopters.

The new facility caters to all type of replenishment that seems to be working on automated systems. The strategically located base would allow China to monitor all shipping movements through the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

While it would enable China to exert influence in the African continent, the facility could be the model for similar bases that are being planned at Gwadar or Karachi in the future.

The fortress

The fortress that is still under construction has at least 10 storage barracks, ammunition point, storage, office complex and a heliport. The base also has a huge underground airconditioning plant, which may possibly include a water filtration (reverse osmosis) and ice-making plants.



The large ‘8’ shaped five-storey building possibly provides accommodation
for troops. The office complex is likely to have a hospital and a gymnasium.

Access control and security

There are two entrances to the facility — the one towards the east connects to the main road. A side entrance caters to traffic from the container terminal.

Four layers of security fences have been constructed. The inner two and
outermost are solid fences. Two roads have been constructed for patrolling
in between the fences.



The width of the innermost hollow fence is an unimaginable 9 m all along and at
main entrance it is 11 m. The height of inner two fences is 8-10 m. Lighting
is provided on second fence at regular intervals. Guard posts have been constructed along the innermost fence.

The access control at the main gate passes through two guard rooms comprising automated vehicle and personnel check systems.

Cold storage and AC plant

There are 10 barracks of 15 m x 45 m size with AC exhaust fans on both sides,
suggesting these are refrigerated cold storages. These cold storages are connected with huge 9 m wide pipelines on both sides, underground, connecting these buildings with the underground complex.

The heliport

The heliport has seven hangars to park choppers, along with a large hangar possibly for repair and maintenance. The other buildings would have motor transport garages and repair facilities.



There is a runway of 400 m length in the complex. There is also an administrative building with air traffic control (ATC) on top of it. It could allow a view of deployment of about 12 Z-10 or Z-19 attack helicopters or a mix with Z-8 or Z-9.

Ammunition point

A hardened underground ammunition point has been created with modern,
possibly automated entry gates. A small loading/unloading platform is also
observed near the entrance. The entire area is further wire-fenced for
additional security. It has three main storages with a shelter for motor transport.



Large fuel tank

A large (60m x 70m) semi-underground storage tank for petroleum, oil and lubricants (POL) has been constructed near the underground complex. It is connected to two outlet points.

Miscellaneous

There is a new six-cabled electricity line running from the electric grid
to the facility. There are two entrances for construction staff and vehicles
to move within the complex. The west side of the facility that is still not
constructed may have satellite communications facilities, very low frequency
(VLF) and /or over the horizon (OTH) radar and a direct sea access in
future.

Col Vinayak Bhat (retd) is a Military Intelligence veteran of the Indian Army with vast experience of satellite imagery analysis. He has worked as a Chinese interpreter and is a specialist on PLA and Pakistan’s Armed Forces. Twitter: @rajfortyseven

I don't know if this rumor or real thing



WHY IS CHINA BUILDING A MILITARY BASE IN PAKISTAN, AMERICA'S NEWEST ENEMY?
As the Trump administration announced plans this week to cut all security funding to Pakistan, Beijing revealed it would build an offshore naval base near a strategic Pakistani port.

The naval base will be located in the Gwadar port in the Pakistani province of Balochistan. Chinese military officials told the South China Morning Post that the new base was necessary because the current port, which caters mostly to merchant ships, is unable to supply the services and logistical support Chinese warships need. The project would mark China's second foreign military base in the world, after a recent expansion in Africa.

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The announcement comes as regional experts warn that China is replacing the U.S. as Pakistan’s most important security partner and is using Pakistan to gain increased access to the Indian Ocean. China’s increased investments in Pakistan, combined with President Donald Trump’s recent decision to cut all funding to the country, is driving Pakistan into Beijing’s arms, experts warned.

“Chinese investment in Pakistan is expected to reach over $46 billion by 2030 with the creation of a [China-Pakistan Economic Corridor] connecting Balochistan’s Gwadar Port on the Arabian Sea with Kashgar in Western China,” Harrison Akins, a researcher at the Howard Baker Center who focuses on Pakistan and China, told Newsweek.

“Trump will soon find that his ability to unilaterally exert pressure to promote U.S. policy and security abroad is severely limited, as Pakistan has increasingly relied upon China for economic and military assistance,” Akins added.



The Trump administration announced on Thursday it would cut all security aid to Pakistan because the country has failed to address the presence of terrorist networks operating within its borders.

“This does little to promote U.S. interests and security and may actively hurt them as we have lost a key ally in the region,” Akins told Newsweek.

Trump administration officials, however, say that China and the U.S. share common interests in Pakistan, especially when it comes to security and counter-terrorism.

"China shares some of the concerns with the U.S. The U.S. is working with other regional players and it’s also not in China’s interest in having sanctuary for terrorists in Pakistan," a senior administration official told Newsweek.

"What we have seen is an interest from Pakistan in having a relationship with both the U.S. and China," the official said.

China-led development of Gwadar port is under way in this photo taken in Gwadar, southwestern Pakistan, in October 2017.GETTY IMAGES

The Gwadar port plays an important role in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, which is a major component of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s expansive “One Belt One Road” economic initiative. The corridor includes infrastructure project worth billions of dollars that aim to link China with economic initiatives in Africa and Europe.

Chinese ships patrolling the Indian Ocean must obtain supplies that are currently unavailable in Pakistan, and the construction of a naval base and new rail lines in Balochistan would meet those needs.

“The sparsely populated province of Balochistan on the border with Iran and Afghanistan has now taken center-stage in China’s growing relationship with Pakistan and the development of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor linking China’s western city of Kashgar with Balochistan’s Gwadar Port nestled 3,000 kilometers away on the Arabian Sea,” notes report from the Howard Baker Center, a nonpartisan public policy center, located on the campus of the University of Tennessee, Knoxville.China is also reportedly building a military base in Pakistan's Jiwani peninsula, which is near Gwadar and close to the border with Iran. The construction of a base would require local residents be displaced to make room for a security zone.

China opened its first offshore naval base last year in Djibouti, a small French and Arabic speaking country on the Horn of Africa.

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I don't know if this rumor or real thing

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WHY IS CHINA BUILDING A MILITARY BASE IN PAKISTAN, AMERICA'S NEWEST ENEMY?
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well, First Djibouti ... now Pakistan port earmarked for a Chinese overseas naval base, sources say
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The facility would be similar to one in operation in African nation, offering logistics and maintenance services to PLA Navy vessels

Beijing plans to build its second offshore naval base near a strategically important Pakistani port following the opening of its first facility in Djibouti on the Horn of Africa last year.

Beijing-based military analyst Zhou Chenming said the base near the Gwadar port on the Arabian Sea would be used to dock and maintain naval vessels, as well as provide other logistical support services.

“China needs to set up another base in Gwadar for its warships because Gwadar is now a civilian port,” Zhou said.

“It’s a common practice to have separate facilities for warships and merchant vessels because of their different operations. Merchant ships need a bigger port with a lot of space for warehouses and containers, but warships need a full range of maintenance and logistical support services.”

Another source close to the People’s Liberation Army confirmed that the navy would set up a base near Gwadar similar to the one already up and running in Djibouti.

“Gwadar port can’t provide specific services for warships ... Public order there is in a mess. It is not a good place to carry out military logistical support,” the source said.

The confirmation follows a report this week on Washington-based website The Daily Caller in which retired US Army Reserve colonel Lawrence Sellin said meetings between high-ranking Chinese and Pakistani military officers indicated Beijing would build a military base on the Jiwani peninsula near Gwadar and close to the Iranian border.

Sellin said the plan would include a naval base and an expansion of the existing airport on the peninsula, both requiring the establishment of a security zone and the forced relocation of long-time residents.

Gwadar port is a key part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a centrepiece of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s broader “Belt and Road Initiative” to link China through trade and infrastructure to Africa and Europe and beyond. The corridor is a multibillion-dollar set of infrastructure projects linking China and Pakistan, and includes a series of road and transport links.

Sellin also said the Jiwani base could be “signs of Chinese militarisation of Pakistan, in particular, and in the Indian Ocean”.

Chinese military observers said Gwadar had great geostrategic and military importance to China but China was not about to “militarise” Pakistan.

Zhou said China wanted better access to the Indian Ocean, which was now largely limited to the Strait of Malacca in Southeast Asia. The Gwadar port could be a transit hub for sea and land routes once the corridor’s railway was up and running, helping improve and cut the cost of logistics for China.

“The Chinese naval flotilla patrolling in the Gulf of Aden and other warships escorting Chinese oil tankers in the Indian Ocean need a naval base for maintenance as well as logistical supplies because they can’t buy much of what they need in Pakistan,” Zhou said.

Rajeev Ranjan Chaturvedy, a research associate at the Institute of South Asian Studies at the National University of Singapore, said India was well aware of China’s plans in Pakistan.

“China finds it very useful to use Pakistan against India and ignore India’s concerns, particularly on terrorism issues. That has created a lot of stress in the relationship between Beijing and Delhi,” he said.

“[But] Indian naval capabilities and experience in the Indian Ocean region are fairly good. Much better than Pakistan and China.”

Swaran Singh, a professor at the school of international studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, said neither Gwadar nor Jiwani would be a wise choice for a naval base because of its proximity to the port of Chabahar in Iran, in which India has a big stake.

New Delhi has invested more than US$100 million for two berths in the port on a 10-year lease, as a way to promote trade with Afghanistan and Central Asia, bypassing Pakistan.

“Potentially both [Gwadar and Jiwani] can become vulnerable to any stand-off ... between Pakistan and Iran but also China in Pakistan and India which is present in Chabahar,” Singh said.

China began building what it describes as a 36-hectare logistics base in Djibouti in 2016, with its first naval troops arriving in July last year. The troops have staged regular live-fire drills since September, a move military analysts say is meant to show China’s ability to protect its overseas interests in Africa and the Indian Ocean region.

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