Chinese Military in Africa

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    I have heard that china is investing a lot in African countries so that they can gain resources for their industry. Doe's this also include military training of African military forces of country that they are involved with economically.

    Could we see African countries buying Chinese military hardware in the same way that America supplies its allies with weapons such as plane tanks and small arms ?
     
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    It is already happening, more and more Chinese weapons purchased by African countries,even some are paid by loan from Chinese bank
     
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    Having military on the ground in Africa I think is a step that is at least a decade or more away from the current military climate in China. It would present a dramatic shift of military policy (that is, outside engineers and sparsely armed soldiers in aid missions under UN leadership). The selling of Chinese military hardware, on the other hand, is very much present already. Both in Africa, Asia and Latin America. Check the Chinese military sales to other countries-thread.
     
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    Senior Pentagon and US policy makers have made it clear that the US sees Chinese military bases in Africa as a 'trip wire'. What exactly such bases would 'trip' was not revealed, but I'm sure people can use their imaginations.

    I think a Chinese military base in Africa is decades away if it is planned at all. China will not seek to set up a permanent base on the continent unless they are ready to face a possible political and military show down with the US.

    I think that is partly why Beijing has given long range amphibious capabilities such priority in recent years. Ships like the 071 and possible follow-on LHDs and carriers are at best overkill if not totally unsuitable for Taiwan, so the PLAN is obviously looking further afield when they decided to get those ships. The idea is obviously to have the capability and option to protect Chinese interest in Africa even if China does not have a military base there.
     
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    Having a military base on foreign soil, especially far away in somewhere like Africa, simply does not correspond with China's overall foreign policy so it simply won't happen unless there is a drastic change in China's foreign policy.

    Small numbers of Chinese forces to provide security for citizens or major economic projects overseas I can see, and these can be paramilitary or private security.
     
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    I think what would work is that the chinese send workers to fix inforstucure projects in their countrys of interest and that with the military aid that they supply their african allies with would be the hardware to modernize their military forces but send training team over from china to train and monitor the allies progress with the equipment that they supply them with.

    This would include infantry training and the system needed to run and maintain a modern defence forces.
     
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    Guess you jumped / skipped the history class like the rest of your friends... USA, USSR have all tried these BS (while they have far more better "REACH" in any aspect in any of their targeted place / region), only they harvest what is called "bitter fruit".

    I dont wanna "brain wash" you that China is to "peaceful raising" and you can go home and sleep... I just enjoy watching the ignorance when others try to comprehend Chinese wisdom, with their own.
     
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    Training is included as standard for all big ticket weapons purchases. But I do not see what interest China would have in providing things like infantry training or military advisors. China has little interest in fighting proxy wars in Africa, and as the US has found to it's cost, using proxies to do your dirty work does not make you immune from possible blow back. Indeed, the proxies you created and/or strengthened may come back to bite you in the butt some day.

    The current Chinese foreign policy of staying well out of other people's business seem to serve China quite well. Some nit pickers (mostly in the west) might grumble about China not being 'responsible' but the people in the countries China is doing business in never seem to be upset enough about the way China does business to burn Chinese flags in the street or actually threaten Chinese citizens.

    There are worrying anti-Chinese sentiment growing in some African countries, but that is almost always because of a perceived threat to local businesses as opposed to any lofty political ideals. It is likely that China's growing power projection capabilities are aimed partly at these countries. China does
    not want to tell anyone how to live their lives or how to run their own country, but China is not about to stand idiolly by and do nothing if certain parties tries to use China as a scapegoat for their own failures and threaten Chinese interests and/or nationals in their country.
     
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    wolf, between those "whom knows / comprehend-able" - Chinese citizens dose suffers increasingly threaten, across the globe.

    Politically, it is because someone / certain "scapegoat seeker", doing the possibly identical speech: "IT IS THE JEWS WHO STOLEN YOUR MONEY!"

    ...and that's enough for off-topic info (as long as you comprehend)
     
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    China is already investing in countries in africa. This is because they are rich in resource that china needs and wants to grow as a global money and business powerhouse.

    They are not intersesting in turning these countrie into mini china's but just ensuring that china's investment in the area that are many and expanding everyday are protected. So to draw a comparison between china's interests in africa and that of other country and their foreign policy is off the mark . I got a A in history by the way .
     
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