Chinese military exports to other countries

... Okay I have been wanting to use that one.

Bradley's And Abrams were designed before IED's became a major issue and besides that they also suffer as there hulls are Tracked, That said to take an Abrams You need a BIG IED. 500 pounds. Any Tank or Armored Vehicle to hit 500 pounds of High explosive is going to take a beating.
Furthermore both Abrams and Bradley have TUSK and BUSK kits that add more armor to the under sides.
Stryker has undergone a massive series of redesigns. First gen Strykers did not fare well since then they have been retrofitted with double V shaped hulls.
SO fears of such for those vehicles are dated.

The APC in question Type 92 was designed in the 80's and 90's, And Were never classed as MRAPS. They are not meant to Fight IED's They are glorified Police armored Cars intended to protect against Riots and maybe infantry small arms.
Expecting Them to survive the modern IED trend is like Expecting a World War 2 era Panzer IV to take a modern MBT it's just not going to end well for the Panzer. The Modern Threat the IED was designed to Kill Vehicles like the type 92. And there is little the Kenyans can do about that without having the vehicles modified.

Anyone have any more information on the destroyed Type 92? Location, circumstances, casualties etc?

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The APC in question Type 92 was designed in the 80's and 90's, And Were never classed as MRAPS. They are not meant to Fight IED's They are glorified Police armored Cars intended to protect against Riots and maybe infantry small arms.
Expecting Them to survive the modern IED trend is like Expecting a World War 2 era Panzer IV to take a modern MBT it's just not going to end well for the Panzer. The Modern Threat the IED was designed to Kill Vehicles like the type 92. And there is little the Kenyans can do about that without having the vehicles modified.

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Really, what does it take to understand something as fundamental as a vehicle not designed as an MRAP to survive an IED not to post moronic stuff? That APC was not the first to suffer that fate. Groundhog experts be prepared to take flaks.

I agree, judging anything other than a MRAP is just not fair because only they are designed for IED patrol purposes

Even that monstrous Abrams got blown like that, what an unbelievable sight!

MRAP means Mine Resistant Ambush protected.
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MRAPS are a light specialist type, after the Rhodesian war they were primarily tasked as Bomb disposal crew transports, but the Asymmetric wars drew them in as that was there main missions. Few Conventional mission APC and IFV prior to 2000 even Tanks have the design features found in MRAPS. The Reinforced blast channeling undercarriage, Recoupled Drive, Shock absorbent seating.
But Pure MRAPS have a few other downsides.
They tend to have high centers of Gravity making them more likely to rollover, there weight makes them less off road friendly, High Antenna for coms gear means a possibility of damaging Electrical wiring. Also In Iraq Insurgents improved there IED's to compensate for MRAPs by design Explosively formed Penetrators into there IED's as well as Larger IED's. This required a further redesign of MRAP technology.
A few New vehicles try to do a bit of both The Boxer and Puma for example have been designed to MRAP standard but that kind of protection has to be built into the vehicle And requires it to be designed for it. Vehicles designed today will be ready for IEDs but 20 years ago, It was thought unnecessary.
The Chinese are Said to have developed an MRAP version of the Type 92 family the VN2C and the Kenyens are not using those.

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"Unofficial Rumours suggest that Bangladesh will sign a $1Bn deal with China as part of its AirForce modernization plans"

Reports circulating on social media suggests that 16 J-10B multirole 4.5thGen fighters worth $600m , 1 Y-20 heavy lifter aircraft worth $160m , 7 Intermediate Jet trainers K-8W worth $70m and 1 Kj-200 AWACS aircraft worth $80m will be bought by BAF to replace as well as modernize its fleet.

NO OFFICIAL confirmation has yet been disclosed however the deal seams pretty unlikely (or very much likely too) since J-10B aircraft until Zhuhai 2016 , has never been exhibited at any Expos. FC-20 (export designation of J-10A) is only showcased on AVIC catalogue other than JF-17 and J-31.

If the rumours are true , then one could say that the J-10Bs BAF would buy could be downgraded version too since J-10B is the mainstay fighter of PLAAF and any tech indirectly falling into hands of strategic enemies such as India could be bad. On the other hand , J-10s bought could also be second hand PLAAF fighters for cheap price since PLAAF plans on replacing its J-10 fleet with latest C version. Spares as well as munitions is a part of deal or not? Price doesnt suggest that.

Y-20 is new lifter in the market. It has just started service in PLAAF and PLAAF aims at acquiring 1000+ of them , but the price at which BAF is buying i.e $160m is absolutely abnormal.

I thought Pakistan are more interested in F-16C because more suited to their needs, what about FC-1?

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I thought Pakistan are more interested in F-16C because more suited to their needs

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Bangladesh, not Pakistan.

Thank you for correcting me, I got them mixed up