Chinese Geopolitics

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SamuraiBlue

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Blackstone said:
I have consistently and repeatedly argued for US to share power with China and jointly run Asia precisely because I don't want the two great powers to be enemies. The fact you choose not to see that has nothing to do with what I said.
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This is the part that all Asian nations beside PRC is fearing and US not accepting. Basically Asia is run by ALL Asian nation not just two major powers. What you are proposing is hegemonism, a relic of the last century that nobody wants or needs.
 
Blackstone

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Jeff Head said:
Your translation is of your own making. Blackstone did not say anything like that

He never said China was any kind of Al Queda.


Blackstone did not say China was any kind of international criminal.

That is pure hyerbole. You do not have to be actively committing a crime, or attacking, or even be hostile to be a threat.

China has the power, the weapons, the economy, the manpower, etc., etc. that could pose a far greater threat than Al Queda ever could hope to. That is the meaning.

Conversley, the US is a also greater "threat" to China than Al Queda just as China is to the US. That does not mean they are an enemy, or are actively attacking. It simply means that any such nation can pose a potential threat to another.

All the more reason to establish the dialog and trust I spoke of earlier.

Please use some critical thinking here...and conversely, explain things that very easily could be taken wrong.
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Well said, Jeff, and thanks for clearing the air.
 
broadsword

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Blackstone said:
China is a greater treat to the US than al Queda, because it could do far more damage to US interests in all arenas of human endeavor, if it set out to do so.
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The reason the US sees China or Russia as a greater threat an Al Queda is because it insists on its hegemony. Only if US gives up its hegemony will it see those extremists as a greater threat. But no one is holding his breath for it.
 
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Blackstone

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SamuraiBlue said:
This is the part that all Asian nations beside PRC is fearing and US not accepting. Basically Asia is run by ALL Asian nation not just two major powers. What you are proposing is hegemonism, a relic of the last century that nobody wants or needs.
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That's a legitimate argument, Samuri. The reason I argue for a G-2 is because organizations like the G-20 are simply too large and unwieldy to speedily deal with complex issues. My ultimate vision is G-4 running Asia- US, China, India, Japan- and if Indonesia ever get its act together, we could have 5 great powers running Asia. Yes, yes, the regional forums like ASEAN, APEC..., etc. have their say, but G-4/5 is the leadership group that sets the norms.

I start with G-2 because if the two great powers can't play nice, then the rest doesn't matter. It all starts with the US and China, and that's why most geopolitical pundits frame US-China as the most consequential bilateral relation in the 21st Century. It's also the reason why while America likes Japan better, China is more important to her.
 
Blackstone

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t2contra said:
The reason the US sees China or Russia as a greater threat an Al Queda is because it insists on its hegemony. Only if US gives up its hegemony will it see those extremists as a greater threat. But no one is holding his breath for it.
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You mean America pursues her national interests, just like every other country in human history? Okay, guilty as charged!
 
AssassinsMace

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Let's clear the air on what lead to Bob Beckel to label China as a greater threat than Al Qaeda. He was angry over China being accused of stealing personal information of US government workers. To which he then laid the blame on allowing Chinese to learn about computers at US universities which allowed them to be able to steal that information. Does that mean the US taught Al Qaeda how to be terrorists to then turn those tactics back on the US? Beckel is saying that if it weren't for the US, China would know nothing about computers.

Learning how to use computers is a threat? And I supposedly crossed the line calling that paranoia? How about stopping Chinese from eating. If they don't eat, they won't be a threat. So feeding Chinese is a threat to the US.
 
SamuraiBlue

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Blackstone said:
That's a legitimate argument, Samuri. The reason I argue for a G-2 is because organizations like the G-20 are simply too large and unwieldy to speedily deal with complex issues. My ultimate vision is G-4 running Asia- US, China, India, Japan- and if Indonesia ever get its act together, we could have 5 great powers running Asia. Yes, yes, the regional forums like ASEAN, APEC..., etc. have their say, but G-4/5 is the leadership group that sets the norms.

I start with G-2 because if the two great powers can't play nice, then the rest doesn't matter. It all starts with the US and China, and that's why most geopolitical pundits frame US-China as the most consequential bilateral relation in the 21st Century. It's also the reason why while America likes Japan better, China is more important to her.
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Sorry but two nations cannot steer the direction of the whole region and all other nations will just reject any output developing their own grouping leaving the two out. At that point it is two against the others at conflict with each other group which is again called hegemonism. The US is not going to be dragged into such foolish endeavor that is only going to alienate them and bite back.
 
Blitzo

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SamuraiBlue said:
This is the part that all Asian nations beside PRC is fearing and US not accepting. Basically Asia is run by ALL Asian nation not just two major powers. What you are proposing is hegemonism, a relic of the last century that nobody wants or needs.
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Actually I'm pretty sure it's something which has never gone away since the idea of organized human groups began.

There are however, degrees of hegemony.
 
Jeff Head

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AssassinsMace said:
Let's clear the air on what lead to Bob Beckel to label China as a greater threat than Al Qaeda?
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SD is not a forum where we are going to go into all of the nuances of a political hack like Bob Bechel or any other.

Bechel is a political hack, like most of the so called commentators on the various networks, including Fox.

Fox actively tries to have hacks from both sides to stand by their fair and balanced claim. Most other networks don't even make that pretense.

Even then, with few exceptions, they are political hacks.

We're not going to make SD a place where we argue the merits of what untold political hacks have said.

This has been argued and debated to death now...and it appears it s not getting any better.

So...


THREAD CLOSED...until further notice.
 
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