Chinese Geopolitics

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Jeff Head

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AssassinsMace said:
He's the one that brought up associating China as being worse than Al Qaeda
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Actually, he is not the one who first raised the issue of Al Queda.

AssassinsMace said:
C'mon, you wouldn't like the US being painted as worse than Al Qaeda in any context. We're suppose to believe Blackstone's inflammatory charges out to be harmless discussion? If that kind of language is allowed, then it's all right for others to do the same. Do you want that?
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I recognize immediately that the US military and economic power is a far greater threat to any potential adversary than Al Queda, and would not mind anyone saying so.

It's the truth.

That does not mean that the US is a terror organization, or that the US is seeking to spread, at the point of the sword, a radical brand of religion or ideology. Nobody has said or inferred that about China.

That's why I said critical thinking is important. Just because the US, or China, or Russia, or any major power has the capability to be a large threat, does not make them in the least the "same," as Al Queda.

I certainly would take offense, and correct anyone who made that comparison. But that has not been done here.

People are taking offense where none is intended, and allowing their own feelings to lead them to conclusions that were never meant or even inferred.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Bob Beckel made a racist generalizing comment to which he apologized. Anyone defending his comment is saying China, not the US, is worse than Al Qaeda. What context was Bob Beckel making when associating China as worse than Al Qaeda other than being criminal? No one who says such a thing is saying "we are all worst than terrorists" because why specially say it for one country if that were the case. And remember this... Bob Beckel was referring to all Chinese students learning in school as to say China being worse than Al Qaeda just because they're aren't dumb and can do something with the knowledge they learn that is not in control of the US. Anyone call that freedom? Want me to make some conclusions about how that's all about racism and using Al Qaeda is just a cover to distract from it just like concluding China is a threat because they learn in school? Bob Beckel doesn't want other races thinking because that's a threat.
 
AssassinsMace

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Jeff Head said:
Actually, he is not the one who first raised the issue of Al Queda.


I recognize immediately that the US military and economic power is a far greater threat to any potential adversary than Al Queda, and would not mind anyone saying so.

It's the truth.

That does not mean that the US is a terror organization, or that the US is seeking to spread, at the point of the sword, a radical brand of religion or ideology. Nobody has said or inferred that about China.

That's why I said critical thinking is important. Just because the US, or China, or Russia, or any major power has the capability to be a large threat, does not make them in the least the "same," as Al Queda.

I certainly would take offense, and correct anyone who made that comparison. But that has not been done here.

People are taking offense where none is intended, and allowing their own feelings to lead them to conclusions that were never meant or even inferred.
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Technically you're correct but we know that's not what Blackstone was doing. And do you how many times how insults towards the Chinese in here get passed off as discussion just because this is a Chinese topic centered forum? One example is vilifying China over Libya and the Arab Spring when China had nothing to do with it. If that's acceptable, then it's reasonable to criticize the US since the US is the primary actor to wanting to change China and that is usually by spreading negative stories.
 
broadsword

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Blackstone said:
You could make legitimate arguments for China's tributary as relatively benign, but it's just another form of hegemony. I personally don't see Middle Kingdom's old tributary system as bad, since Pax America has the same overtones, but most of China's neighbors see it differently.
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When China settled its claim with Kryghistan over disputed territory, it got less than 10% of its claim. This was done without any foreign, international or unilateral intervention. Can you imagine any other country that reasonable?

Blackstone said:
Furthermore, I'd argue Japanese-occupied Okinawa belongs to China too, but I'm probably in the minority on that.
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You're certainly not alone! Some Japanese have the notion that China is also after Okinawa. China's top gun had already asserted that they had no claim and dismissed a Chinese academic's argument for it.

I think I'm letting on more than I should have.
 
solarz

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Jeff Head said:
That is pure hyerbole. You do not have to be actively committing a crime, or attacking, or even be hostile to be a threat.

China has the power, the weapons, the economy, the manpower, etc., etc. that could pose a far greater threat than Al Queda ever could hope to. That is the meaning.
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Sorry, the potential to be a threat is NOT the same thing as being a threat. A policeman carrying a gun has the potential to be a far greater threat than an unarmed drunk, but most people would treat the drunk as far more of a threat than the policeman.

Saying China is a threat to the US, or vice versa, is displaying a belief that China and the US are enemies and not mere rivals.
 
broadsword

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In a golf club, I'm sure the members do not welcome people in their premises who crusade against golf, like saying it is a waste of land and water, bad for humanity, not as prestigious as yachting or NASCAR, tennis being a healthier sport, etc. Golf clubs do have strict rules and may throw out the member who has become an asshole to the members and the sport. They can grind their axe elsewhere.

This forum is about "Sino". There is no thread on Sino-phobia. Yet, such postings are allowed. So what if China's WS-15 or WS-20 are not ready. China is a work in progress. No one needs to be reminded.
 
Blackstone

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t2contra said:
This forum is about "Sino". There is no thread on Sino-phobia. Yet, such postings are allowed. So what if China's WS-15 or WS-20 are not ready. China is a work in progress. No one needs to be reminded.
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I was under the impression this is a forum where people discuss all China-related topics, except those expressly prohibited by the moderators. If so, then fanboi rules don't apply and China's many failures are just as relevant to discuss and debate as China's many successes.
 
broadsword

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Blackstone said:
I was under the impression this is a forum where people discuss all China-related topics, except those expressly prohibited by the moderators. If so, then fanboi rules don't apply and China's many failures are just as relevant to discuss and debate as China's many successes.
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Yes, discuss, but were you discussing? Or Cussing?
 
Blackstone

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solarz said:
Saying China is a threat to the US, or vice versa, is displaying a belief that China and the US are enemies and not mere rivals.
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That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. As for me, highlighting China as America's greatest comprehensive threat doesn't mean I believe China is an enemy (I don't), only that its power makes it the greatest threat the US has ever faced. China is a greater treat to the US than al Queda, because it could do far more damage to US interests in all arenas of human endeavor, if it set out to do so. Al Queda doesn't even come close to Iran, let alone China as threat potential to the US. As things stand today, China is the greatest treat to US supremacy since Pax Britannia ended, and it would like nothing better than to displace America, first in Asia, and maybe elsewhere after that.

China is America's strategic rival, but not an enemy. I have consistently and repeatedly argued for US to share power with China and jointly run Asia precisely because I don't want the two great powers to be enemies. The fact you choose not to see that has nothing to do with what I said.
 
AssassinsMace

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Blackstone said:
I was under the impression this is a forum where people discuss all China-related topics, except those expressly prohibited by the moderators. If so, then fanboi rules don't apply and China's many failures are just as relevant to discuss and debate as China's many successes.
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And how is arguing China is worse than Al Qaeda a relevant discussion? I'd still like to know how Chinese culture is a threat worse than Al Qaeda.

Blackstone said:
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. As for me, highlighting China as America's greatest comprehensive threat doesn't mean I believe China is an enemy (I don't), only that its power makes it the greatest threat the US has ever faced. China is a greater treat to the US than al Queda, because it could do far more damage to US interests in all arenas of human endeavor, if it set out to do so. Al Queda doesn't even come close to Iran, let alone China as threat potential to the US. As things stand today, China is the greatest treat to US supremacy since Pax Britannia ended, and it would like nothing better than to displace America, first in Asia, and maybe elsewhere after that.

China is America's strategic rival, but not an enemy. I have consistently and repeatedly argued for US to share power with China and jointly run Asia precisely because I don't want the two great powers to be enemies. The fact you choose not to see that has nothing to do with what I said.
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Again how is that a crime to associate it with Al Qaeda? The only reason Al Qaeda is brought up is to make it an international criminal threat. There's no crime being committed against the US or that would be an act of war.

Interesting how that's not called-out as hyperbole.
 
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