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[Brumby]

On paper yes, but the devil is in the details.

Are you then agreeing corruption management is not a growth impediment?

 

[Blitzo]

Are you then agreeing corruption management is not a growth impediment?

Yes. Although I think I've always been pretty consistent that corruption management was a good thing. I am supportive of this anti corruption campaign.
I am also supportive of increasing transparency and justice, and I look upon the recent overtures towards mild law reform with interest.

What I've always been against is using these means as a basis for drastic political change, and also viewing these factors in a vacuum to judge a nation without considering other challenges and difficulties and needs

 

[Brumby]

What I've always been against is using these means as a basis for drastic political change, and also viewing these factors in a vacuum to judge a nation without considering other challenges and difficulties and needs

This point I can understand. On the subject of anti-corruption, my comments had been limited to Xi's drive being a good thing and the importance of having some core elements to manage corruption. There was no suggestion for political change or remotely of this nature. My labouring on this subject is just to demonstrate how difficult it is to have a mature conversation on China before a whole bunch of unrelated matters get thrown in front of the conversation.

 

[Blitzo]

This point I can understand. On the subject of anti-corruption, my comments had been limited to Xi's drive being a good thing and the importance of having some core elements to manage corruption. There was no suggestion for political change or remotely of this nature. My labouring on this subject is just to demonstrate how difficult it is to have a mature conversation on China before a whole bunch of unrelated matters get thrown in front of the conversation.

I can appreciate your frustration, but at the same time I empathise with those who are sometimes excessively defensive.

 

[delft]

There is nothing specific to point out because anything that is released to the public is already window dressed for the occasion and anything contrary to the official position would not be public knowledge.

I have already provided perspective from transparency international that measures judicial independence, transparency and accountability but conveniently ignored.

I am happy to have an honest discussion but not at perpetual moving targets that has no end and purpose. First it was social harmony, and then every conceivable social issues, and now competency (that I have not referenced to). How is this actually connected to Xi's anti corruption drive?

Transparency International looks at the reputation of a country wrt the contacts of companies with the authorities. It doesn't see a matter like the "Betuwe Lijn" in The Netherlands were a plan was formed to build a freight railway from Rotterdam to Germany to improve the position of Rotterdam vis-a-vis Antwerp. The government promised that it would only be built if at least half the costs were provide by private investors but when those didn't appear the line was built anyway. Btw the coordination with Germany was not adequate so the connection with the German railways was delayed some fifteen years.
This type of corruption by particular interests is legal in Western countries. Its called lobbying.

 

[Franklin]

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Here's another example of when China does something that was demanded, the critics do an about face. They demanded China be a stakeholder in the world and now that China has they're against it. Why? Because they don't control the decisions of how countries get money. Meaning being a stakeholder in the world is about supporting their agenda for the world. And they have the gall to expect China contribute sizably to the World Bank and IMF but get little say.

What is the point of this new bank ? Isn't China already part of that new BRICS bank and now another one ? It has launched today with 21 founding members at a ceremony. But without South Korea, Australia and Indonesia due to US pressure. As time goes by i'm sure more countries will join. But once again what is the point of this new bank ?

 

[xiabonan]

What is the point of this new bank ? Isn't China already part of that new BRICS bank and now another one ? It has launched today with 21 founding members at a ceremony. But without South Korea, Australia and Indonesia due to US pressure. As time goes by i'm sure more countries will join. But once again what is the point of this new bank ?

Isn't it stated clearly in the news? To provide funds for development projects, especially infrastructure projects, for Asian countries.

 

[delft]

What is the point of this new bank ? Isn't China already part of that new BRICS bank and now another one ? It has launched today with 21 founding members at a ceremony. But without South Korea, Australia and Indonesia due to US pressure. As time goes by i'm sure more countries will join. But once again what is the point of this new bank ?

How would World Bank or ADB consider a railway to support Chinese or Iranian mining development in Afghanistan compared with the attitude of AIIB?

 

[xiabonan]

How would World Bank or ADB consider a railway to support Chinese or Iranian mining development in Afghanistan compared with the attitude of AIIB?

I don't understand your question.

Put simply, this bank would mean that poor countries now have an alternative to get their funds from apart from established international organizations.

Having another choice is always a good thing, no?

 

[solarz]

My labouring on this subject is just to demonstrate how difficult it is to have a mature conversation on China before a whole bunch of unrelated matters get thrown in front of the conversation.

The fact that you think Xi's anti-corruption drive can be discussed in isolation from other socio-political issues in China shows how artificial your position is.