Chinese Engine Development

Deino

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It's a claim that it's the J-20's engine. It's positive news if it's the WS-10, negative news if it's the WS-15, because the latter will take far longer to be operationally ready.


Pardon ! What is not clear on this report ???

It is only related in all on the J-20's engine, the WS-15 ... and I tried to assume, when we can see it at first.

It has nothing to do with the WS-10.

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manqiangrexue

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That's what I call a coincidence !!! The WS-20 on the Il-76 has been removed ... and now? Either another WS-20 engine for the Y-20A or even the WS-15?

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Brah, what is that? That looks like a painting. It could be that WS-20 has concluded its tests and has been removed or it could be a pic as the DK-30 was removed and WS-20 was being installed. I don't see that as having anything to do with WS-15 testing... yet.
 

Deino

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Yes, that image has been artificially altered (by PS) and indeed, all we see is that the WS-20 is gone.

Why ... ??? I don't know, could be for maintenance only or since a new version will be mounted ... but could also be that WS-20-testing is done and the Il-76 will convert for WS-15 testing. Not sure how likely this is?)
 

Air Force Brat

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Yes, that image has been artificially altered (by PS) and indeed, all we see is that the WS-20 is gone.

Why ... ??? I don't know, could be for maintenance only or since a new version will be mounted ... but could also be that WS-20-testing is done and the Il-76 will convert for WS-15 testing. Not sure how likely this is?)

Probably for "lab analysis", will likely be giving the "hot section" a going over, that's where it all happens.
 

Hendrik_2000

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From Oedosoldier twitter I guess no more hold up due to engine shortage. Anyone can do calc as to yearly requirement of 3Xtype 55; 2Xtype 52; ?
My guess 3X4 + 2X2 + =16 with 4 spare?
  1. QC 280 gas turbine has reached production capacity of 20 annual production
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Insignius

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Why wrong? Isnt the QC280 related to the WS-10? Or was it only the QC70?

Anyone can do calc as to yearly requirement of 3Xtype 55; 2Xtype 52; ?
My guess 3X4 + 2X2 + =16 with 4 spare?

Also, keep in mind that you wouldnt immediately need the gas turbines when you lay the keel of the ships. They would be installed somewhen before launch, which might be a year or so later. This would mean that you will have plenty of newly produced gas-turbines piling up when you need them.
 

Franklin

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Why wrong? Isnt the QC280 related to the WS-10? Or was it only the QC70?



Also, keep in mind that you wouldnt immediately need the gas turbines when you lay the keel of the ships. They would be installed somewhen before launch, which might be a year or so later. This would mean that you will have plenty of newly produced gas-turbines piling up when you need them.
The QC-280 is a indigenized version of a Ukranian engine the GT25000. The engine based on the WS-10 are the QC-70, QC-128, QC-168, QC-185 and QC-260.

We need to be careful using social media as a source.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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The QC-280 is a indigenized version of a Ukranian engine the GT25000. The engine based on the WS-10 are the QC-70, QC-128, QC-168, QC-185 and QC-260.

We need to be careful using social media as a source.

The main thing is China is now independent from outside supplier. BTW the QC-280 is not a strict copy of GT25000 . It is an improvement with better fuel efficiency and power according to Kanwa
In general I wouldn't blame it if someone skeptical when it come to Kanwa, but when it come to Soviet or Ukrainian source they do have connection Pinkov is Russian translator by profession. So western press is wrong when they say QC 280 is underpower

Canada’s Kanwa Defence Review published an article on January 25 on China’s development and production of QC280 gas turbines for its Type 052D destroyers.

According to the article, China developed QC280 on the basis of the technology of DA80/GT25000 gas turbine imported from Ukraine but has made a series of improvements on it.

Kanwa visited Ukraine’s Zorya JSC several times and learned from the company that it had to provide China parts and components for QC280. When China assembled and put into operation the engines, it had to provide lots of information and advices. Sometimes, it was requested to send experts to China.

QD280 consumes less fuel, has greater power than DA80 due to the improvements.

On the basis of the development of QC280, China is now developing R0110 heavy gas turbine with power output of 114,500kw and heat efficiency of 36%. The turbine has passed expert evaluation and will be used on China’s homegrown aircraft carrier.
 
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