Chinese Engine Development

tphuang

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I won't call this a source ! It's a summary written by reports that can be found by various other reports or just here at forums like SDF ....

I'm esp. a bit skeptical about the WS-20's use on the C919 ... IMO highly unlikely !

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Yes, that alone would invalidate this article. What's interesting is that WS-18's flight testing was so much shorter than that of WS-20. WS-20 on testbed is still going even though WS-18 started later and is already finished. Of course, WS-20 is a new engine whereas WS-18 is a domestic version of D-30KP2. Still, I think that WS-20 has been flying for a while, so I would not be surprised if flight testing can be done sometimes this year. Then, the question is how long it takes them to mass produce it after. At least the first batch of production Y-20 should still be using D-30/WS-18.
The leap engine designed by GE for the comac 919 is 30000 pounds of thrust which is about 13.5 tons of thrust which is very close to the reported 14 tons of thrust of the ws-20.
Based on this the ws-20 should be very suitable for a military version of the c919.
Yes thats right.
So can you give reasons why the ws-20 might be suitable or not suitable for a military version of the C919?
A couple of problems here. One, there won't be a military version of C919. Other than the issue of foreign suppliers, have you seen military versions of A320 or B737? Y20/IL76 is a lot larger.
Secondly, fuel consumption rate of something like WS-20 is much higher than CFM-56 series. One good place to start is look at bypass ratio for fuel consumption. Of course, WS-20 is also not designed to pass the stringent noise/environmental regulations. Of course, CFM-56 would not be available, so that's why AVICEngine is working with MTU to develop SF-A . There is also the so called WS-118, which I'm not sure about the current status.
Really?
Taking all these factors into account, then the WS-20 isn't suitable for the Y-20 either.
What other choice do they have? D-30KP2/WS-18 is really old technology that they have to rely on until WS-20 becomes possible. The only other option is PS-90A, which they don't have control over and is about comparable performance to WS-20. Since WS-20 is almost ready, there is no sense buying PS-90A.

Until domestic SF-A becomes available, WS-20 is actually not a bad option.
 

latenlazy

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I think the question should be, for what purpose plaaf/planaf will use the C-919. If they will use it in an comparable role to the Boeing P-8, WS-20 should be suitable.
I agree with a different framing of the question. That said, my original point about thrust not being the only consideration isn't wrong.
 

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A couple of problems here. One, there won't be a military version of C919.
Thats debateable,right?
Other than the issue of foreign suppliers, have you seen military versions of A320 or B737?
Yes, the 737 wedgetail and p8
Secondly, fuel consumption rate of something like WS-20 is much higher than CFM-56 series.
Much higher or just higher?
One good place to start is look at bypass ratio for fuel consumption.
Do you have measurements for the bypass ratio of the ws-20?

The huge advantage the C919 would have over equivalent prop driven planes is that it is much faster and consequently much safer when it comes to evading enemy aircraft.
This leads to another advantage for awacs planes, they can get closer to enemy aircraft and get better radar images or alternatively jam the opponents radar better.
 

latenlazy

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Thats debateable,right?

Yes, the 737 wedgetail and p8

Much higher or just higher?

Do you have measurements for the bypass ratio of the ws-20?

The huge advantage the C919 would have over equivalent prop driven planes is that it is much faster and consequently much safer when it comes to evading enemy aircraft.
This leads to another advantage for awacs planes, they can get closer to enemy aircraft and get better radar images or alternatively jam the opponents radar better.
That hardly matters with the state of a2a power these days. All multiplier assets need escorts now.
 

I wonder

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It depends on how much head start it has and how fast it is compared to the fighter.
I can tell this debate about awacs isnt going to go anywhere and its slightly OT in this thread so I would like to stop the conversion if you agree.
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