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vincent

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Again another failed attempt to deflect the story at hand.
Completely irrelevant, Toshiba is a public traded company which did not default.
CERCG is a SOC of PRC that did default.

News flash: SOE operates just like another company, like Freddie Mac. Shocking, I know

Bank loans/bonds typically come with convenants on cash flow (EBITA), profitability, etc. If Toshiba and other Japanese firms didn't cooked their books, their loans/bonds will be default too.
 
:rolleyes:
Blah....blah...blah...the same Financial Times also says that Japan's debt is "overblown" when China's debt is way smaller than Japan's?

Here is the hypocrisy.

The fears about Japan’s debt are overblown
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well when I began to lurk into this thread, I think in 2014, saw many people kidding themselves with
BRICS (check the "I", LOL)
'replacing USD in the World'
'replacing sea-imported oil with Russian pipeline'
etc., so I basically had thought the Chinese economy was some sort of a bubble ... now, after several years of watching,
it's time for me to say if it had been a bubble, it should've burst by now!

since it didn't, the Chinese performance sure looks to me like a successful application of Political Economy
(I was too young to had to take this subject, but I had been well-versed in Marxism/Leninism)
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
News flash: SOE operates just like another company, like Freddie Mac. Shocking, I know

Bank loans/bonds typically come with convenants on cash flow (EBITA), profitability, etc. If Toshiba and other Japanese firms didn't cooked their books, their loans/bonds will be default too.
SOE is ensured by the government in CERCG case the PRC government.
Toshiba and other public traded companies are not.
Basically a default by a SOE is the same as the PRC Government DEFAULTing.
The US Government paid all of Freddie Mac bad loans so it doesn't DEFAULT, on the other hand PRC did not.
 
now I read
China's major property firms hit one-year low in financing
Xinhua| 2018-06-10 14:28:53
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China's major property firms saw their financing slump in May as costs rose and the market cooled due to tightened government regulation.

Forty major listed property developers obtained 45.1 billion yuan (about 7 billion U.S. dollars) in total financing last month, down 41.3 percent from a month earlier and the lowest level in a year, according to Shanghai-based real estate consultant firm Tospur.

The companies issued 4 billion yuan of corporate bonds in the domestic market and 1.8 billion yuan in the overseas market, down 65.5 percent and 94.8 percent month on month, respectively.

Chinese local governments have rolled out an array of measures to rein in surging home prices as part of a broader campaign to defuse economic risks, curb property speculation, and toughen scrutiny on capital pumped into real estate developments.

Property development investment in China expanded 10.3 percent year-on-year for January-April, slightly down from 10.4 percent during the first quarter, according to the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS).

During the period, housing sales measured by floor area grew 1.3 percent, with the growth down from 3.6 percent for January-March.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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SOE is ensured by the government in CERCG case the PRC government.
Toshiba and other public traded companies are not.
Basically a default by a SOE is the same as the PRC Government DEFAULTing.
The US Government paid all of Freddie Mac bad loans so it doesn't DEFAULT, on the other hand PRC did not.

Nothing in the article said Chinese government gave explicit or implicit guarantee to the company's debt. Sound to me the company oversold that point or the investors simply assume the guarantee is there. Please provide something more concrete to show that the Chinese government did provide guarantee.

Plenty of SOE went under over the years, if the investors don't factor that into their calculations, then too bad, so sad

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Equation

Lieutenant General
Deflecting?
This is not about a nation it is about SOC.
Japan did not default CERCG, a SOC of PRC did.
That is the fact no Hypocrisy, JUST FACT.

One of China's SOEs defaulted on a payment. Means nothing. A bakery closed shop in a lil' corner in Beijing yesterday; anyone wanna report on that too to somehow make it look like China's economy is failing? You obviously are just trying to post a 'fact' as a narrative to belittle China when obviously the bigger picture is that Japan has NOT even come close to economic growth as China.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
In capitalist system everybody has the right to make money but at the same time buyer beware and everybody has the equal right to go bankrupt. If some company in China went bankrupt that what it should be and mean the capitalist system work

Now who keep the zombie company alive by extending soft loan for years depriving viable company for loan? resulting in stunted growth for decades. Not China but her neighbor to the east
 
now I read
Trap or treat? Funds to raise billions for tech IPOs in China
2018-06-12 18:11 GMT+8
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Asset managers began fundraising for six Chinese “unicorn” funds on Monday, offering retail investors a new investment channel but potentially straining tight market liquidity.

The 300 billion yuan (47 billion US dollars) they seek to raise in the coming week stands to top all the equity funds raised in China last year, and the money will be used to fund mainland listings of homegrown tech firms such as smartphone maker Xiaomi and e-commerce giant Alibaba Group Holding.

The launch of the six mutual funds could sap market liquidity in the short term and lead to more volatility.

The funds are launched during a month when the market is already bracing for tighter liquidity from the central bank’s mid-year health checks on banks’ balance sheet, Sinolink Securities said in a note.

On Monday, Shanghai stocks touched 12-month lows.

Investors are also divided over the merits of the funds as the three-year lock-up period is seen by some as risky.

Retail investors and select institutions can invest in the six funds which are each raising as much as 50 billion yuan to support upcoming mainland tech listings.

The six funds, which will participate in tech IPOs as cornerstone investors, can get a guaranteed allocation of shares, or China Depositary Receipts (CDRs), before other types of investors scramble for the remaining pie in a lottery. Thus, they are being promoted as a special treat for mom-and-pop investors, who now have an investment opportunity once reserved for institutions.

CDRs, modeled after the popular ADRs in the United States, allow overseas-traded Chinese firms to re-list in China.

The six fund managers picked by the government to launch the funds are China Southern, China AMC, E Fund, Harvest, China Universal and China Merchants Fund.

The resources marshalled for the funds - including fast-track approval and nationwide distribution networks at state lenders - highlight the political will to ensure there is adequate liquidity to support upcoming listings of “new economy” companies.

Xiaomi is only weeks away from becoming the first overseas-domiciled company to sell shares in China, while other firms planning China listings include US-listed Alibaba, JD.com and Baidu Inc .

The six funds will raise money from retail investors between June 11-15, before taking subscriptions from institutions on June 19.

“It’s an epoch-making gala for all investors,” China Southern Fund Management said in an online advertisement.

David Dai, general manager of Shanghai Wisdom Investment Co, who plans to invest, said: “This is a boon to retail investors...a policy dividend.”

But some worry that the funds’ lock-up period banning investor redemptions within 36 months of launch could result in low liquidity and potential losses.

“Listings of tech giants are a very hot story at the moment, so IPO prices will likely be high,” said retail investor Tony Zhao.

“With a lock-up period of three years, investors risk making a loss as stock prices could return to earth, or even fall below IPO prices, before you can cash out.”

Investors will be allowed to transfer holdings in the secondary market six months after launch, but some fear a rush to exit could trigger a deep discount in fund prices.

An investor who only wished to be known by his surname Deng noted that global tech share valuations were already high. “It’s crazy to buy into a fund you cannot redeem for three years.”
 
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