Chinese Economics Thread

plawolf

Lieutenant General
America has huge rare-earth deposits that haven't been mined yet. I don't think it'll do much if China bans rare earth exports to the U.S.

They have mined them in the past, but the mines are all closed now.

The US will need to start from scratch, from extraction right through to finished useable products, and it will need to do that in massive volume to meet domestic demand.

It’s not something you can just get done even in a year.

In the meantime, all your high tech factories run out of key ingredients and cannot continue production.

By the time you get your domestic rare earth supply chain up and running, your high tech industry would have massively attrophied.

But this is a trick China could only pull once, since once the US has gone through the pain of all that, they will have to be stupid to let their rare earth industry wither again.

I suspect this is not something China would want to do, preferring to save it as a deterrent instead.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
But this is a trick China could only pull once, since once the US has gone through the pain of all that, they will have to be stupid to let their rare earth industry wither again.

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I doubt it because the cost for labor to open up those mines will be a deterant for any US businesses to even consider the risk of losing so much money into something that's not as profitable like mining for gold or other minerals to begin with. Therefore it has to be state operated enterprise (SOE) in order to have a chance, meaning tax payers has to be used, therefore no way in hell. There's already a super tight budget already and not to mention voters from all walks of life and even private enterprises will be against funding for such rare earth enterprises (whether public, private or both) when their own business and interests deserves it as well. o_O
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The misnomer is rare earths are rare and also as I'm reading in the media that it's singular as in one recent story said Japan found a rare earth deposit that will break Japan's dependency on China. Not so fast.

Rare earths are of different types and many are found mostly everywhere. It's the processing that makes it rare. The process is very difficult because extracting the element sought from x amount of earth produces small amounts and is extremely health hazardous. They're essentially separating miniscule particles from other earth materials and concentrating them. There are a lot of other materials in the earth that are toxic. Nearly harmless in small amounts but concentrated... And also I think some rare earths are by-products of toxic materials and they'll be in there with them too.

Many people don't know that most developed countries may have their own rare earth deposits... but they send them to China to be processed. Why? Processing them at home cost more because wagers for workers are far higher because of hazard duty pay and on top of that covering health insurance and liability would be astronomical.

China has a monopoly because it sits on the sweet spot of this industry where it has cheap labor developed countries don't have and advanced technological industries poor countries cannot afford. It tells you a lot that the West doesn't even put this in context of an outsourcing story where China is stealing their jobs. That's because their corporations don't want to pay workers what could be a few hundred thousand dollars each to do the job. They don't want their own citizens giving that a thought that they could make that much money hence why they steer it away from looking like another outsourcing story.

Why are rare earths China's weapon alone? I'm not talking about just what I stated in facts before. Even if the developed countries mandated that their rare earths are to be processed at home for national security reasons and accept the high costs, China could flood the market with cheap rare earths bankrupting their industries much like how the Saudis flooded the market with oil bankrupting US fracking companies that made the US supposedly energy independent.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Another thing the skill and technology to extract those rare earth has atrophied in the west most of the consulting engineer that specialized in those technology has gone out of bussiness long time ago Since no project in in the last 20 or 30 years. Once it is gone it is not that easy to resurrect it
 

siegecrossbow

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Another thing the skill and technology to extract those rare earth has atrophied in the west most of the consulting engineer that specialized in those technology has gone out of bussiness long time ago Since no project in in the last 20 or 30 years. Once it is gone it is not that easy to resurrect it

They can hire Chinese specialists with big bucks :D.
 
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A giant indoor farm in China is breeding 6 billion cockroaches a year. Here's why
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Chinese farm hits global headlines for breeding 6 billion cockroaches for medical purposes
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Consumption contributes to 77.8 pct of China’s Q1 GDP growth
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Domestic consumption contributed to 77.8 percent of China’s economic growth in the first quarter of this year, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said on Tuesday, indicating that it becomes a new driving force of the economy.

Steady and rapid consumption growth has become a “stabilizer” of the economy, according to an NBS statement. In the first quarter, the contribution of consumption to the economy is 46.5 percentage points higher than that of investment to GDP.

Consumption increases were achieved thanks to the results of the country’s supply-side structural reform, as well as the rising income of its residents.

Supply-side reform stimulus

China has been pushing supply-side structural reform forward since 2015. It is an effort by the country to rebalance the economy toward more domestic consumption-based growth, according to Patrick Musgrave, an independent journalist based in Beijing.

Essentially, it is to make the supply side more market-oriented and let supply meet demand. It will narrow the discrepancy between the supply and demand of goods and services in the market, unlocking more consumption potential.

There is huge potential for consumption growth, as the economy is transitioning from a phase of rapid growth to a stage of high-quality development, according to a statement on the website of the National Development and Reform Commission.

The economy expanded 6.8 percent to 19.88 trillion yuan in the first three months over the same period last year, NBS data showed.

Rising consumer confidence

With the steady increase in residents’ income, as well as the good employment situation, the country’s consumer confidence is rising. In February, the consumer confidence index was 124, about 17.9 points higher than the average since 2012.

In the first quarter, total retail sales of consumer goods - a key indicator of consumption - stood at around 9 trillion yuan (1.4 trillion US dollars) with a nominal year-on-year growth rate of 9.8 percent. In March, the number reached 2.9 trillion yuan, up 10.1 percent year-on-year.

Consumption in rural areas is also expanding due to better infrastructure and the increased income of rural residents. Retail sales of consumer goods in the rural market rose 10.7 percent year-on-year to 1.3 trillion yuan, accounting for 14.6 percent of the total retail sales.

Online retail has been expanding rapidly also, as the mobile Internet attracts mounting users. In the first quarter, online retail sales across the country went up 35.4 percent year-on-year to 1.9 trillion yuan. The increase rate is 24.6 percentage points higher than that of retail sales of consumer goods.

Increasingly affluent residents are more willing to pay for higher-quality products. For example sales of new energy vehicles and SUVs, which represent aconsumption upgrade in the automobile sector, were up 154.3 percent and 11.3 percent year-on-year respectively.
 
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