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AndrewS

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Will it be worthwhile to own a car if you can have a car drive to your house, be transported by it and see it drive off to transport someone else. Cars will be driving themselves. You can then reduce weight and costs and energy usage for cars used in cities by providing them with energy and guidance from antennae in the roads. This also removes the time needed to reload batteries.

Yes, car ownership rates will decrease because it will be cheaper to go by self-driving taxi.

Charging times won't be an issue anymore as they can drive themselves to a charging station and most trips will be by taxi instead of owning the car itself.

Providing energy from antennae on the roads is a stretch, as the charging infrastructure is expensive to setup, and probably wouldn't be needed
 
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China wrong target for sanctions over DPRK: Chinese ambassador
Xinhua| 2017-09-16 13:26:46
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China is the wrong target for sanctions related to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (
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)'s nuclear issue, Chinese Ambassador to the
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Cui Tiankai said here Friday.

"Both China and the United States benefit from bilateral trade, so efforts to undermine Sino-U.S. trade, or even slapping sanctions on China, I think would be off-target," Cui said at a Chinese National Day reception.

"If someone were to pressure China or impose sanctions on China over the DPRK, it would not be supported by many U.S. citizens," Cui said.

"Workers at U.S. airplane factories, farmers growing soybeans, companies that sell smartphones to China, manufacturers that enjoy large market shares in China, companies in the service sector that have gained trade surplus in China, U.S. states that engage in robust trade with China would all stand against it," Cui said.

Cui's remarks came after U.S. President Donald Trump tweeted earlier this month that the United States is considering "stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea."

Cui said that despite differences between China and the United States, he is confident about the future of bilateral relations.

The two sides are currently in close contact over Trump's upcoming state visit to China, as well as a series of high-level dialogues on issues including cyber security and humanistic exchanges that were initiated earlier this year.

"The dialogues would be beneficial to Sino-U.S. relationship in the long run," Cui said.
 
not sure about the thread, anyway Venezuela publishes oil prices in Chinese currency to shun U.S. dollar
September 15, 2017
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Venezuela published the price of its oil and fuel in Chinese currency on Friday in what it called an effort to free the socialist-run country from the “tyranny of the dollar,” echoing a plan recently announced by President Nicolas Maduro.

Maduro last week said his government would shun the dollar after the United States announced sanctions that blocked certain financial dealings with Venezuela on accusations that the ruling Socialist Party is undermining democracy.

The global oil industry overwhelmingly uses the dollar for pricing of products.

A weekly Oil Ministry bulletin published on Friday listed September prices in yuan, while including prices from previous weeks and months in dollars.

“This format is the result of the announcement made on Sept 7 by the president ... that Venezuela will implement new strategies to free the country from the tyranny of the dollar,” the ministry wrote in a statement released after the bulletin.

Venezuela’s yuan-based prices appear to be the result of multiplying dollar prices by the dollar/yuan exchange rate.

The price per barrel for the week ending Friday was 306.26 yuan, equivalent to $46.76 based on the exchange rate listed in a footnote. That is up from the previous week’s price of 300.91 yuan, or $46.15 based on the corresponding exchange rate.

The ministry did not respond to an email seeking additional details.

“Nobody is changing contracts for now,” said one oil trader consulted about the issue who asked not to be identified.

“Oil is a commodity that is traded almost exclusive in dollars. PDVSA’s debts, for example, are still denominated in dollars ... and that’s how they’ll have to pay bondholders,” the trader said, referring to the state oil company.

Venezuela’s Dicom currency system on Wednesday temporarily suspended the sale of dollars in order to incorporate other currencies.

Late socialist leader Hugo Chavez during his 14-year rule repeatedly vowed to back away from the dollar, which he said was being printed indiscriminately and was destined to lose its place as the world’s dominant currency.

But Venezuela remains dependent on the greenback given that it conducts ample commercial trade with the United States both through exports of oil and imports of U.S. food and consumer products.

Sanctions by the administration of President Donald Trump blocked U.S. citizens from buying new debt from Venezuela or its state oil company, but did not directly interrupt import and export operations.
 
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World Chinese entrepreneurs meet in Myanmar for business convention
Xinhua| 2017-09-16 18:38:10
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The 14th World Chinese Entrepreneurs Convention (WCEC) kicked off here on Saturday, gathering more than 2,000 overseas Chinese business leaders to discuss plans of business expansion.

Vice President of the China Overseas Exchange Association Xu Yousheng read out a congratulatory message from Yu Zhengsheng, chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC).

Myanmar, located along the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, is linked with China by mountains and rivers, and has forged the "paukphaw" or brotherly friendship with China, Yu said in the message.

Under the theme of "An Opening Economy in Myanmar, A New Epoch in History," the four-day convention is hosted by the Myanmar Chinese Chamber of Commerce with Wu Jiyuan (U Myint Shwe) as general chair.

With strong support from the Myanmar government, the WCEC is aimed at pushing the regional economic development in line with the world's changing economy and bridging world's Chinese entrepreneurs for cooperation.

It is also set to make use of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and the China-proposed Belt and Road Initiative to jointly explore the future development trend and space of Chinese businessmen as well as the world and Myanmar's economy.

Speaking at the opening ceremony, Myanmar First Vice President U Myint Swe expressed delight at seeing the overseas Chinese entrepreneurs in Myanmar making linkages with business contacts in various countries around the world and contributing to the economic development of Myanmar.

Noting that Myanmar is participating in the Belt and Road Initiative, U Myint Swe said the strategic location of Myanmar will contribute to the success of the initiative.

The vice president welcomed investments in the country's special economic zones under implementation, while expecting extensive investments also in other industrial development sectors.

He believed that the opportunity for Myanmar to host the 14th WCEC will result not only in close friendly relations between Myanmar and China, but also bring numerous new opportunities for overseas Chinese entrepreneurs and business persons to expand their investments in Myanmar.

The WCEC will also create a good environment for the promotion of people-to-people contact and interaction between the peoples of Myanmar and China, he said, adding that through such interaction, mutual understanding and respect as well as friendship can be built up step by step for the establishment of a sustainable, economic and social community.

General Chair of the WCEC and Chairman of the Myanmar Chinese Chamber of Commerce Wu Jiyuan (U Myint Shwe) highlighted Myanmar's remarkable transformation in recent years, saying that the government has done a terrific job in boosting the country's economic growth, improving people's livelihood, rolling out policies, laws and regulations to advance the economic reform.

He believed that as these policies and regulations take effect, they will surely serve as a strong impetus for economic and social progress by increasing foreign investment and jobs to benefit people with economic growth and political stability.

He pledged to work with the Myanmar government in investment promotion for a number of sectors and incentivize Chinese investors from around the world in a bid to deliver tangible results through the convention.

Key note speeches were also delivered by Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, chief executive of China's Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR), and other world-known leading Chinese entrepreneurs.

Following the opening ceremony were theme forums involving international noted experts and scholars, business celebrities and elites on economic and trade, Belt and Road Initiative, inheritance and innovation of younger generation of Chinese entrepreneurs as well as Myanmar investment climate and introduction on its latest investment law by the Myanmar Investment Commission.

Memorandums of understanding on economic and industrial cooperation, and contracts on implementation of projects are expected to be signed later on the day.

Donation for social assistance will also be made at the event, the organizer said.
 

delft

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Charging times won't be an issue anymore as they can drive themselves to a charging station and most trips will be by taxi instead of owning the car itself.

Providing energy from antennae on the roads is a stretch, as the charging infrastructure is expensive to setup, and probably wouldn't be needed
Saving weight is very important in vehicles. A car with two road wheels stabilized by a pair of gyroscopes would be lighter than a old fashioned car with four wheels, even when the gyroscopes are large enough to let the car drive many kilometres off the main road with the antennae. In addition you wouldn't need large batteries and thus Lithium for this car so also saving money. And the car wouldn't need time go to a charging point to feed.
 

AndrewS

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Saving weight is very important in vehicles. A car with two road wheels stabilized by a pair of gyroscopes would be lighter than a old fashioned car with four wheels, even when the gyroscopes are large enough to let the car drive many kilometres off the main road with the antennae. In addition you wouldn't need large batteries and thus Lithium for this car so also saving money. And the car wouldn't need time go to a charging point to feed.

Yes, the advent of self-driving vehicles means demand for smaller cars or personal transportation pods. That will significantly reduce weight and therefore the cost of batteries.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I don't think it has to be zero sum game China gain does not meant US loss
Western contempt for China turns to panic
Economic boom continues with electronics industry domination and infrastructure growth through trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative
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SEPTEMBER 18, 2017 11:53 AM (UTC+8
Not since the British garrison at Singapore surrendered to Gen. Tomoyuki Yamashita in 1942 has Western opinion of an Asian power changed so fast. When China’s 2015 stock market bubble popped, prevailing Western opinion held that China’s economic boom would flame out in a debt crisis comparable to America’s subprime disaster of 2008 or the near collapse of Europe’s southern tier in 2013.

Now that China’s tradeable stock market has risen by 43% during 2017 in US dollar terms (with the MSCI-based ETF as a benchmark), Western opinion is melting up.
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now predicts Asian stocks will double in the present bull run. “Hedge Funds Used to Love Shorting China. Now, Not So Much,” declared a Bloomberg headline Sept. 12.

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The same applies to Western evaluation of China’s standing as a world power. Graham Allison’s The Thucydides Trap, a plea not to oppose China’s strategic challenge to the United States, now sits on the desk of every senior staffer at the National Security Council courtesy of President Trump’s national security adviser, Gen. H.R. McMasters.

Allison puts America in the position of the “established power,” like Sparta on the eve of the Peloponnesian war of 431-404 B.C.E., and China in the position of the “emerging power,” like Athens, arguing that the rise of China is inevitable. Allison’s book has many flaws, as I try to show in the forthcoming issue of Claremont Review of Books, but it depicts a vibrant, technologically-driven Chinese economy.

It will shock Americans who have been told for years that China merely copies Western technology by stealing trade secrets, and for that reason alone Prof. Allison’s book fairly might be called the most influential book of the year.

Allison warns:

In the three and a half decades since Ronald Reagan became president, by the best measurement of economic performance, China has soared from 10 percent the size of the US to 60 percent in 2007, 100 percent in 2014, and 115 percent today. If the current trend continues, China’s economy will be a full 50 percent larger than that of the US by 2023. By 2040 it could be nearly three times as large. That would mean a China with triple America’s resources to use in influencing outcomes in international relations. Such gross economic, political, and military advantages would create a globe beyond anything American policymakers can now imagine.

A sense of resignation, if not outright defeatism, pervades the Trump White House where China is concerned. Washington is dependent on Beijing in the matter of North Korea’s nuclear ambitions; it has no military option as matters stand, and no appetite to undertake the formidable investments in ballistic missile defense that would be required to contain the North Korean threat.

In August 2015, the Establishment consensus thought it saw the headlamp of the oncoming express, when the glimmer really was light at the end of the tunnel. I examined the forces at work in an
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article for this publication. As the RMB appreciated against the dollar during 2013-2015, Chinese companies borrowed massively in dollars, expecting that their dollar-denominated debt would continue to lose value against their RMB earnings. The People’s Bank of China had given them a one-way bet.

But as the US dollar rose sharply against all other currencies during 2014 and 2015, the PBOC had to allow Chinese interest rates to rise in order to maintain the RMB’s high exchange rate with the dollar. This brought real interest rates to a peak of 6% in 2015, the highest in the world, and high real interest rates suppressed industrial prices and squeezed corporate profits, forcing state-owned enterprises to borrow heavily to pay debt service.

In August 2015 the PBOC let the RMB drop against the dollar, a signal to China’s borrowers to pay back dollar debts and replace them with local-currency loans. They sold roughly $1 trillion of local currency to buy dollars with which to pay back their dollar loans, and the PBOC sold them dollars for local currency.

China’s official reserves fell by $1 trillion and corporate dollar debt fell by $1 trillion, so that China’s net creditor position was little changed, as Bank for International Settlements economists pointed out in 2016 (as did this writer). There was little or no net capital outflow, but the Western investment community and economics profession mistook this balance-sheet adjustment for capital flight.

By early 2017, producer prices were rising, real interest rates were falling and Chinese reserves stabilized. Corporate profits surged, corporate leverage declined and stock prices boomed.

Investor opinion about the Chinese stock market has only begun to change, but corporate America has been bullish on China all along. Chinese companies’ share of global electronics production, meanwhile, rose from 30% in 2012 to nearly 60% in 2016, and this share will rise to 87% by the end of the present year. China is the world’s largest market for electronic components and no American company can afford not to have a major presence there.

President’s Trump veto of a Chinese-backed purchase of Lattice Semiconductor last week drew headlines, but shouldn’t have. Lattice is a second-tier firm whose production facilities have already moved to Asia. But America’s top of the line tech companies have been selling their family jewels to China for years, as a condition of entry into the Chinese market.

As the New York Times reported Aug. 4, 2017:

To gain access to the Chinese market, American companies are being forced to transfer technology, create joint ventures, lower prices and aid homegrown players. Those efforts form the backbone of President Xi Jinping’s ambitious plan to ensure that China’s companies, military and government dominate core areas of technology like artificial intelligence and semiconductors…The worry is that by teaming up with China, American companies could be sowing the seeds of their own destruction, as well as handing over critical technology that the United States relies on for its military, space and defense programs.

Advanced Micro Devices and Hewlett Packard Enterprise are working with Chinese companies to develop server chips, creating rivals to their own product. Intel is working with the Chinese to build high-end mobile chips, in competition with Qualcomm. IBM has agreed to transfer valuable technology that could enable China to break into the lucrative mainframe banking business.

America produced every important invention in the digital age, from integrated circuits to semiconductor lasers, solar cells, flat panel displays, sensors and light-emitting diodes. Except for integrate circuits, Asia now produces virtually all the world’s output of these building-blocks of the electronics industry, and China has a crash program underway to become the world’s major producer of semiconductors.
 

Hendrik_2000

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To my knowledge, the only senior adviser to President Trump who proposed to stop this practice was Steve Bannon, who left the White House in August. Interfering with US companies’ tech transfer to China would hurt revenues in the short- and medium-term. US companies are making a good living on the rise of China, and CEO’s worry about their stock price during the next five years, not about America’s competitive position in 10 years.

Western analysts in general dismissed China’s trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). During the past year, though, new rail lines have lined China to Iran, Turkey and from there to Western Europe, drastically reducing the time and cost of shipping across the Eurasian continent. Two rail links to Iran are now in operation.

On September 6, the
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departed from Yinchuan, capital of northwest China’s Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, with a 15-day journey time to Iran’s capital, half as long as sea transport. The Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway linking China with Turkey and the South Caucasus begins operations in October. China already is Turkey’s largest source of imports.

As a result, once-neglected areas of Western China have become the most dynamic zones in the China’s economy. According to a recent study by the Milken Institute, the fastest-growing city in China is Chengdu, a metropolis of 12.3 million people in Sichuan province. Few Westerners can find Chengdu on a map, but it exemplifies the initial success of BRI.

Rail links bind Western Asia to Beijing. Chinese companies will be able to pack components into containers for assembly by low-cost Turkish labor, and further export to Europe and Africa. But the visible face of BRI may be less important than the digital revolution coming from China. China is the first emerging economy to shift from cash to digital payments, as mobile broadband reaches the outlying parts of the Chinese economy.

Companies like Alibaba and Tencent draw rural areas into a global economic marketplace. Chinese who once tilled subsistence plots or manned market stalls are turning into entrepreneurs with access to capital markets through such platforms as Jack Ma’s Ant Financial, and global sales through Alibaba.

Turkey plans to become a
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, using the Chinese example and Chinese technology. China now makes 90% of the world’s smartphones. Its low-cost handset producers stand to dominate emerging markets. Google has just established a joint venture with China’s handset manufacturer Xiaomi to market mid-range, high-performance smartphones in India.

China is transforming the economics on its periphery. This has obvious and deep strategic implications. Turkey now looks East to China rather than West to the European Community for its economic future. Iran, long dependent on Chinese trade to circumvent the Western embargo, is increasingly dependent on Chinese investment for oil and gas extraction.

American influence in Western Asia is eroding quickly. Turkey is now a NATO member in name only; it has bought Russia’s S-400 air defense system over NATO protests, and it has allied with Iran to suppress Kurdish forces in Syria whose success threatens to strengthen Kurdish independence movements in Iran as well as Turkey.

Suddenly, from the South China Sea to the Bosporus, the United States cannot move without brushing up against Chinese influence, if not outright Chinese power. It’s not quite the same as Yamashita’s march across the Malaysian jungle. But if anything, the fecklessness, complacency and incompetence of America’s leaders exceeds the fabled stupidity of the British at Singapore.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Chinese economy is slowly changing into more consumer driven while at the same time upgrade the export quality and find new growth.All the while hasten the structural reform So all those joke of "China will get old before rich" is just pipe dream. too many graph click the link for the rest of article
As I said before CCP is better steward of Chinese economy than their critic
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The dilemma of competing priorities between stable growth and structural reform has been quite well known for the Chinese economy over the past decade. However, the first half of this year has somehow painted a different picture. China economic data has surprised most investors to the upside; meanwhile structural reforms, especially deleverage and overcapacity cuts, have gained momentum. This is based on new evidence we observed:

  1. China is gaining momentum towards developing a new growth driver from industrial upgrading
  2. Old growth drivers such as Fixed Asset Investment (FAI) in real estate and infrastructure remain solid
  3. Structural reforms have surprised to the upside, rather than bind growth
Structural Industrial Upgrades – new growth driver

Chinese producers have been moving up in the value-added chain. This was driven by three pillars: increasing competitiveness in the external market; domestic demand upgrade; and explicit policy support. High value added exports have climbed up to more than 50% of the total exports in China. This includes power and electrical machinery, telecomm equipment, and medium to high technology sectors. For example, electronic and circuit components such as transistors and LCD screens have gained market share from Japanese and Taiwanese competitors.

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Meanwhile, increasing domestic consumer sophistication also forces manufacturers to move up to higher value added products. Last but not least, policy support in this area is strong – tax benefits for R&D, stronger intellectual property rights, government guidance funds, and a broad set of policy tools to facilitate the “Made In China 2025” national initiative*. This new growth drive could possibly add an estimated 0.4-1.2% of nominal GDP growth by 2030**.

Less worries from FAI Slow Down

Estimated impact on GDP growth from FAI in real estate is reducing. While sales in Tier 1 and 2 cities slowed down over the past year, Tier 3 and 4 cities, which take up to 60% of the total FAI in real estate and 70% of total land sales, have been more resilient than expected, as shown in Figure 3. Estimated impact on GDP growth from real estate and related sectors is reduced to -0.26% from -0.4% for the rest of the year. On the other hand, FAI in infrastructure remains robust, with more private-public-partnership (PPP) projects entering the construction phase after up to a year’s pre-construction work, as shown in Figure 4.

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Structural reform gains momentum and does not bind growth

Two notable developments in 1H 2017 are the stepped up efforts in tackling financial risks and the over-capacity issues in industrial sectors. Banks have cut interbank assets and credit to non-bank financial institutions, while increasing the credit to corporates, as shown in Figure 5. This improves the efficiency of credit allocation by shortening the financing chains for end borrowers who contribute more to the real economy, while reducing the credit to low quality borrowers that have been weak contributors to GDP growth. In industrial sectors, supply side reforms have also gained momentum as shown in Figure 6. This has led to industrial profit improvement in both overcapacity and non-overcapacity sectors as shown in Figure 7.

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China voices concern over new EU measures for screening foreign investment
2017-09-18 21:35 GMT+8
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China expects the European Commission to steer away from protectionism when establishing new measures related to screening foreign investment, Lu Kang, China Foreign Ministry’s spokesperson said in a regular press conference on Monday.

He urged the European Union (EU) to strictly obey WTO rules, especially the non-discrimination principle which states that countries cannot discriminate between their trading partners.

Trade and investment liberalization and facilitation (TILF) is key to optimizing resources distribution and European countries have always called on and benefitted from TILF, he said.

An open world economy will benefit most countries, while closing off will not help long-term development, Lu said, noting protectionism will do more harm than good.

Lu made the remarks when asked for China’s comments on EU President Jean-Claude Juncker’s proposal of the establishment of a new EU framework for screening foreign investment. The proposal is a response to calls from Germany, France and Italy for vetting takeovers in the bloc’s sensitive sectors.

If a foreign, state-owned company wanted to purchase the bloc's sensitive assets such as part of energy infrastructure or a defense technology firm, "this should only happen in transparency, with scrutiny and debate," Juncker said in his “State of the Union” speech to the European Parliament on September 13, but did not provide details for the new EU framework.
 
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