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Blitzo

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first of all, I appreciate the style of your argumentation; as for


... I thank you, actually I'll look at it, as this is the point of view missing in the story I posted this morning, I guess ...

Please do.

And just to clarify, when I wrote "if you can't be bothered reading it," I did not mean it with any hostility.
That piece that I wrote is a bit of an essay with lots of links, so I would understand if you or anyone else don't have the time to read it or couldn't be bothered lol.

It's hardly an exciting read, unless one is super really interested in this specific topic.
 

solarz

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thanks but one thing is eavesdropping, another is like grading people (what's described in
A target for hackers
part of https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-economics-thread.t3715/page-625#post-421214
but as I said, I'm just trying to find out if this is China's plan)

It's all about the data. What you actually do with the data isn't important, because once you have the data, you can do anything you want.

Companies like Google and Yahoo don't have to tell the public what they do with their data. Yahoo secretly implemented a program that scanned the email of every yahoo mail user. Snowden warned the public about the new Google app that can track your innermost thoughts.

Big Data spells the end of privacy.
 

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Another propaganda myth broken. So either China does have actually have private sector competition or the state has been able to create a competitive environment said wasn't possible. From here to the richest billionaires, the top spot always changes hands in China showing a dynamic not seen in other places where faces don't change much.
 

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Extensive data on GDP, GDP/Per Capita Ranking etc
On PPP basis China economy is already larger than US now 2016
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Nominal basis
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If the IMF projections for China per capita income held up then sometime around 2022-2024 China's per capita income would pass into the high income country level.

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The resulting GNI in U.S. dollars is divided by the country's midyear population to obtain the GNI per capita. They use the average of three year of currency exchange rates.

World Bank List Of Economies By Income Group (FY2015)
 

Equation

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After decades of growth and productivity by China, Apple (at the least the media that loves to sniff their dirty panties) all of a sudden starting to blame China for its profit losses due to local competition. Sorry A-holes, the capitalistic world doesn't revolves around you, are you NOT entitle to infinite profit growth.:rolleyes:


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China is still dragging Apple down
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Jeff Dunn
October 26, 2016
Apple has suffered its
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. Though that means the company “only” generated $215.6 billion in the past year, the drop has still
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One of the biggest drags on Apple’s earnings has been China. After being touted as a major source of growth potential by CEO Tim Cook, and after enjoying big success there to start, Apple has suffered a continuous series of sales declines in the region over the past few quarters. This past quarter, its China sales fell 30%.

As this chart from
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shows, the company’s dollar sales growth in China has dropped by $10.2 billion in the last year. Over that time, the iPhone has lost
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to local upstarts like Oppo and Vivo. The company has also run into a
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with local officials.

On Thursday’s earnings call, Cook remained bullish, noting China’s wider economic struggles and saying the iPhone’s initial gains gave it further to fall than usual. The company is confident iPhone 7 and 7 Plus sales will give it a boost. And if the
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as its already massive hype suggests, that should only help.

But there’s a reason Cook and company are
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: The sharks want growth, and Apple hasn't really shown how it's going to get more of it from its former cash cow.

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Equation

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Finally somebody from the media gets the bigger picture.:D

Legendary investor Mark Mobius: Don't listen to naysayers; buy China — it's not passe
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Bryan Borzykowski, special to CNBC.com
October 26, 2016

If there's one emerging market that investors continue to be worried about, it's
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. Growth has slowed over the last few years, its banking sector is mired in debt, and its once mighty investment returns have weakened — the MSCI China index(MSCI:.MICN0000NGUS)is down about 0.4 percent over the last 12 months.

One legendary emerging markets investor, though, says now is not the time to abandon the Red Giant. In fact, it could be the time to buy in.

Mark Mobius, executive chairman of the Templeton Emerging Markets Group, which has $25 billion in assets under management, has been investing in developing nations since 1987 and
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Mobius, who in 2006 was named byAsiamoneyas one of the Top 100 Most Powerful and Influential People and one of the Top 10 Money Managers of the 20th Century by Carson Group in 1999, oversees the Templeton Developing Markets Trust, which has returned 22.39 percent year-to-date. An investor who invested $10,000 in the fund at inception in 1991 would have about $42,500 today, according to Morningstar.

At the moment, he has 21.9 percent of his fund invested in China.

"Sentiment has been very negative towards the country, which is not justified on the ground," he said. "It continues to grow at a very high rate for an economy at that size."

While its GDP isn't expanding at the 10.6 percent rate that it was in 2010, it's still growing far faster than many other countries. On Oct. 18 the National Bureau of Statistics in China revealed that it grew by 6.7 percent year-over-year in the third quarter, which was in line with analyst expectations.

As well, it still has a population of 1.4 billion people, many of whom are now starting to seeing their incomes grow.

"Don't forget that," he said to the many naysayers who think China is passé.

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One main concern is around bad debts in China's banking-sector debt, which Fitch says could be 10 times higher than official estimates. However, he says that most of the banks are state-owned enterprises, and the government won't allow its institutions to run into the same kinds of problems that American banks did during the recession.

As well, a number of banks are starting to get those debts off their books by packaging and selling them as asset-backed securities, while others, like China CITIC Bank, are raising money through the bond market to help replenish falling Tier-1 capital.

Going forward, he likes the fact that the country is focusing increasingly more on domestic consumption and that its income per capita is rising — according to
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,China's disposable income per capita has climbed from $11,759 to $31,195 over the last decade. That matters because the more money people have, the more they'll spend.

He points to Alibaba(
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, a large Hangzhou-based Amazon-like company, as proof that domestic demand is increasing. On Singles Day in 2015 — China's Black Friday, which happens on Nov. 11 — the company made $14.3 billion in sales, or about $10 billion more than every U.S. e-commerce site made on last year's Black Friday combined.

"There's tremendous consumer growth taking place here," he said.

This growth is going to continue, he says, and tells investors that despite what others may say, it's still one of the most attractive emerging markets.

Mobius isn't just bullish on China. Many other emerging markets are also growing rapidly, and witnessing strong domestic growth. He's keen on Vietnam, the Philippines and India, which are all seeing strong economic gains — their GDPs grew by 6.6 percent, 5.8 percent and 7.5 percent, respectively, in 2015.

Many emerging markets in general are also undertaking pro-business reforms, and most have low debt-to-GDP ratios, neither of which was the case when he started investing in these markets nearly 40 years ago.

As well, its citizenry have more influence on their political systems than ever before, he says. With more people connected to the internet — 70 percent of smartphone sales will be in emerging markets this year, said Mobius — they're starting to see how people in other countries live and how their own nations are being treated.

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B.I.B.

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After decades of growth and productivity by China, Apple (at the least the media that loves to sniff their dirty panties) all of a sudden starting to blame China for its profit losses due to local competition. Sorry A-holes, the capitalistic world doesn't revolves around you, are you NOT entitle to infinite profit growth.:rolleyes:

China is still dragging Apple down
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Dang ....... Just when i was gonna junk my OPPO and buy am iphone.

I bought my Oppo this year on the back off good reviews it received last year. I purchased it in Singapore.The shopkeer put it in a bag and as I turned to walk towards the door I stopped , went back to the shopkeeper who was still by the cash register and I told him I had changed my mind and could I swap it for the more expensive model (about $S160more)
He declined my request and said I would have to purchase the other phone outright.
Geez I was never out of his line of vision .
Singapore must have a lot of dishonest people for him to adopt such a tough stance

I just thought I would say my Oppo has a pretty good video demo.The only thing is that its a near copy of the Apple I Phone ad
 
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Blitzo

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Dang ....... Just when i was gonna junk my OPPO and buy am iphone.

I bought my Oppo this year on the back off good reviews it received last year. I purchased it in Singapore.The shopkeer put it in a bag and as I turned to walk towards the door I stopped , went back to the shopkeeper who was still by the cash register and I told him I had changed my mind and could I swap it for the more expensive model (about $S160more)
He declined my request and said I would have to purchase the other phone outright.
Geez I was never out of his line of vision .
Singapore must have a lot of dishonest people for him to adopt such a tough stance

Lol there's no reason you still can't buy an iPhone, it's not like the quality of your purchased product is related to Apple's financial success or market cap.
 
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