Chinese Economics Thread

[AssassinsMace]

Why continually bashing the "Roman Catholics" after all they are only part of the religious grouping.

Futhermore are you questioning on whether Pres. Hu Jintao ever suggested that
"the knowledge of religious people must be harnessed to build a prosperous society"( can make a economic contribution) or that the CCP are actively funding the growth of religion in China.

Why not? All the scandals the Vatican is going through... If the Vatican can't handle and answer to the scrutiny then they are not worthy.


I have no problem with religion. I have a problem with people who use religion for selfish, political, and/or nationalistic agendas. I have no problem with Chinese practicing Christianity or any other religion privately. But if they think they have the right to impose their beliefs onto others or the government or they have their loyalty to anyone other than"God" and the Chinese, then they've crossed the line. And the Vatican complaining about China appointing Bishops and not by their sole authority alone is not acceptable. It's not like the government appointed someone who is not Catholic. Also no Chinese money collected from Christian or Catholic Chinese will go to the Vatican or any other religious authority outside China. If anyone has a problem with this, then your motives are suspicious.

 

[Player 0]

The reason the West's economics are about to fail, is because they have attitude such as yours.

Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.
Everybody wants to be free, but nobody wants to see the truth.


You will not find economics here, man. What you learn from today's universities have been deliberately manufactured to mislead and confuse you.

"Economics" haven't been taught in western universities in well over 60 years now, maybe even longer.

After all, "We're all keynesians now."

double sigh...

What has the world come to?

You know what mr Troll, I'm not even going to bother formng a coherent counter, instead i'm going to link you a vid of a thinly veiled Ayn Rand parody, because quite honestly he makes waaaaaay more sense than you do.:roll:

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PS I regularly watch Austrian economists such as Peter Schiff and still think government interventionism has merits when done by a government that actually knows what its doing.

 

[montyp165]

In the long run, rationalism and science will lead to belief in God, as atheism requires too much faith to ignore the evidence that God made His creation.

Scientifically developed socioeconomic system? Even the idea of it means the one pursuing it retarded.

Something develop naturally, the more scientifically you try to outdo yourself, the more pain you're buying everybody. Sigh.... lest we forget to add those feet when painting a snake.

The religious invariably reduced everything to a literal deus ex machina for the entirety of material existence even when the conditions of existence do not necessitate such, that is why religious folk invariably fall back upon the regurgitation of gospel no different than solopsism to impose their viewpoint on the totality of reality. This is why science has transformed existence in only 200 years that religion with over 2000 years couldn't even possibly do, and this point will only grow stronger as time progresses.

 

[daveman]

We'll the general problem with the theme of your message I see is that's it's easy to tell everyone to ignore the extremists within Christianity. But the fact is I see no Christian questioning or challenging these people. It's the same God all of you supposely are doing his deed. So shouldn't you be worried about the kind of message these people give that reflect upon the Christian God and all Christians?

I suppose I should, just as you should spend your time traveling around the world explaining to every westerner or anti-Chinese national about the the false deeds of some of your countrymen and how they don't represent the country as a whole, yada yada yada?

Should you spend your life trying to explain the false deeds of others, which in this fallen world, will never be in short supply of, worrying and being sorry about the deeds of others?

Or, perhaps your should spend your life doing something more constructive?

I know you get this.

And since there's nothing of the sort, it says something about why they are not challenged. First of all there's a heirarchy of who's more important within Christians and some will get screwed over others.

There's nothing of the sort on a mass, organized scale because, as I explained above, we have lives to live in a very short period of time, we need to do what good deeds we can, instead of going around trying to apologize and explain the wrongdoings of others, which will never, ever, ever end because of the sinful nature of men.

So I guess they're not challenged to the point of extinction, which is what you and I would like, but that's because we don't have enough lifetimes for such a task.

As for the heiarchy you mention, that's the device of men.

Only men, in their pride and sin, would consider such things.

Your observation is, once again, correct. But God certainly doesn't see who as being more important than others as men see. For all men are just men. No more, no less.

 

[daveman]

You know what mr Troll, I'm not even going to bother formng a coherent counter, instead i'm going to link you a vid of a thinly veiled Ayn Rand parody, because quite honestly he makes waaaaaay more sense than you do.:roll:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

PS I regularly watch Austrian economists such as Peter Schiff and still think government interventionism has merits when done by a government that actually knows what its doing.

As proven in the case of your beloved USSA?

All will be well with your country, you keep telling yourself, since "government interventionism has merits when done by a government that actually knows what its doing."

Then you have nothing to worry about, and China will never surpass the USA in the next 10 years. Sleep tight and sweet dreams at night, because your government "actually knows what its doing."

Where's the icon for a sheeple? meheheh....

 

[daveman]

The religious invariably reduced everything to a literal deus ex machina for the entirety of material existence even when the conditions of existence do not necessitate such, that is why religious folk invariably fall back upon the regurgitation of gospel no different than solopsism to impose their viewpoint on the totality of reality. This is why science has transformed existence in only 200 years that religion with over 2000 years couldn't even possibly do, and this point will only grow stronger as time progresses.

A lot of big words in your post and it really is too academic for me. I think your education has paid off nicely.

As for the the transform existence in 200 years what "religion" couldn't do, what are you talking about?

 

[AssassinsMace]

I suppose I should, just as you should spend your time traveling around the world explaining to every westerner or anti-Chinese national about the the false deeds of some of your countrymen and how they don't represent the country as a whole, yada yada yada?

Should you spend your life trying to explain the false deeds of others, which in this fallen world, will never be in short supply of, worrying and being sorry about the deeds of others?

Or, perhaps your should spend your life doing something more constructive?

I know you get this.



There's nothing of the sort on a mass, organized scale because, as I explained above, we have lives to live in a very short period of time, we need to do what good deeds we can, instead of going around trying to apologize and explain the wrongdoings of others, which will never, ever, ever end because of the sinful nature of men.

So I guess they're not challenged to the point of extinction, which is what you and I would like, but that's because we don't have enough lifetimes for such a task.

As for the heiarchy you mention, that's the device of men.

Only men, in their pride and sin, would consider such things.

Your observation is, once again, correct. But God certainly doesn't see who as being more important than others as men see. For all men are just men. No more, no less.

The difference is the Chinese aren't trying to convert anyone to anything where Chinese are ultimately the sole authority. You do have to prove it since you want something from the Chinese people. Like the West doesn't villify China? And I'm suppose give a major source of that antagonism a break?

 

[kyanges]

That's what you tried to say in your previous post, and as I had pointed out in my previous post, the interesting part is that ALL rising and falling powers had in common their embrace of biblical truths in their rise and turning away from God in their fall.

Again, societies were rising to greatness and falling before anything Christian, including its take on an omnipotent god. Your entire premise that following Christianity automatically equals "Right to Lead" is just a rehash of religious assertions made throughout history by countless other societies, simply substituting, "Blank", for whatever the prevailing religious belief of the day is. For every era for every society, it's something different, and Christianity is nothing special in this regard. My point is, the next few thousand years, (Possible robot uprisings or other extinction level events aside. .) aren't likely to be very different from the last few thousand in this regard. New religions, new "gods", new "Truths", and a whole new generation of followers who will say the exact same things you are, that their truth is THE truth, you are only mortal, or their god's will is the only eternal. Heck, it's already happened multiple times within the last hundred years, from the Falun Gong to Scientology.

My point is, the government in China supports many religions, of which Christianity is only a part of. To attribute China's resurgence to any one factor alone is extremely myopic.

Curiously, the barbarians all converted to Christianity (from the Germans to the Francos) soon afterwards.

Even more curious, Rome rose to the peak of its power in Europe after converting to Christianity.

Still more curious is the fact that Rome, as a national policy, aimed to TERMINATE Christianity before it wholesale, and overnight converted to it. Incredible how God works...

And after having risen to greatness after converting? The unholy and godless emperors like Nero came out and the Rome was ruined. I guess to you Nero was a sign of Rome embracing biblical truths instead of turning away from God?

Rome did not reach its "peak" following its conversion. Nor was its conversion a simple snap of the fingers to begin with. Looking at the timeline even on a site like Wikipedia shows this, so I'm not sure what you mean by "After having risen to greatness after converting."
Rome reached its greatest territorial extent, and the height of its power around AD117, about 200 years before Constantine's conversion. And power not in Europe, but it's height as a culture stretching from Britain to present day Turkey. Nero also was emperor in AD58, while Rome wasn't officially tolerant of Christianity until AD313, so I'm not sure why you have the two reversed. Not to mention that it was only around 20 years after this conversion that the capital was sacked, and would continue to be sacked another 6 times over the next two thousand some years.

But they never did and never were. ?

You're not Japanese, are you? I apologize if I offended your sensibilities, but it is a historical fact that the Japanese never have had a leading role geo-strategically in 6,000 YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY.

It's not a sin to not be the leader, you don't have to feel offended as to change history.

Nah, I'm Chinese actually, but I agree with you in that saying, "Would've and Could've" is meaningless. .

 

[Player 0]

As proven in the case of your beloved USSA?

All will be well with your country, you keep telling yourself, since "government interventionism has merits when done by a government that actually knows what its doing."

Then you have nothing to worry about, and China will never surpass the USA in the next 10 years. Sleep tight and sweet dreams at night, because your government "actually knows what its doing."

Where's the icon for a sheeple? meheheh....

Dude, I live in Australia and historically i think its fair to say we're one of the most socialist of the english speaking nations, way more than the US but the US is more fascist. Actually to a certain extent in purely political terms i think we're somewaht better off because the labour unions are still a potent political force here as opposed to the US and UK where they've ceased to be a political force since the 1980s, this affords Australia more balance but at the same time more stagnance.

Also I never said my country or yours was a good example, the west is in decline, i think most people will agree on that, and government and its institutions are evidence of this, no a good example of government interventionism would be Germany, Singapore and China.:coffee:

 

[bladerunner]

In the long run rationalism and atheism are the necessary elements for the development of a scientifically developed socioeconomic system, otherwise religious creep will invariably undermine any such developments and progress.

Im sure as people become more able to understand the world through reason, religions inadequacy will become more obvious and more people will become secularized.

Well that's what I reckon the CCP are hoping. Meanwhile realising that their economic model has some inadequacies they are funding Church groups so they can keep it under control.

AS I said in my earlier post (1166) "As some people have remarked. "perhaps christianity is providing a haven for people , looking for a morality that have'nt found in daily life ..... possibly as a result of state encouraged materialism?." ( I guess weve all read the same articles charting Chinas economic progress and the negative by product of such progress, so it isn't surprising that people turn away/drop out.)