Chinese Citizens REVOLT in Wukan!!

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For months, the 20,000 villagers who live in Wukan, near Shanwei city in Guangdong province, have protested first at having nearly £100 million of their land seized and sold off by the local government, and then at the brutal tactics used by police to regain control of the village.

The latest protests began on Sunday, when police attempting to arrest a villager were repelled by villagers armed with sticks. The police fired tear gas before retreating.

At the same time, the local government brought the village's simmering anger to a boil by admitting that Xue Jinbo, a 43-year-old butcher who had represented the villagers in their negotiations with the government, had died in police custody of "cardiac failure".

Mr Xue was taken into custody last week and accused of inciting riots. Mr Xue was widely believed to have been tortured, perhaps to death, and his family were rumoured to have found several of his bones broken when receiving his corpse.

On Monday, around 6,000 people attended Mr Xue's funeral and photographs of the massed crowds paying their respects circulated on the Chinese internet. "We're very pained and angry at his death," said one villager who declined to be named. "He didn't commit any crime. He was just a negotiator speaking with the government, trying to get our land back. He was defending farmers' rights."

Meanwhile, more photographs showed thousands of Chinese police massing on the roads surrounding Wukan and villagers said that a blockade had been imposed. Villagers using the internet inside the cordon claimed that supplies of food, including rice were running low. "A lot of policemen are assembled outside the village," wrote one villager on Weibo, China's version of Twitter, who named himself as Charles Suen.

"The villagers are having a meeting and are preparing to break out this afternoon to petition the government again," he added.

"People cannot come in and we can't go out. We will not survive if the situation keeps going, as we have no food," said another villager to Agence France Press by phone. "We normally have to buy food from outside, but we are blocked, so we cannot buy it," he added.Last week, officials in the village were taken hostage for a few hours by angry villagers and the police set up roadblocks at the village entrance in response.

The clashes in Wukan began in September, when a government office was damaged by an angry mob. Around 400 police responded with brute force, beating some residents and allegedly killing one child.

In November, 4,000 villagers complained again, publicly, that no one had investigated the land grab at the heart of their unrest. The non-violent protests were allowed to unfold without an official response, a move that was praised at the time by observers. But the matter remained unresolved.

Zhou Yongkang, China's security chief, has warned that as the country's economy begins to slow down, protests are likely to flare up and officials should deal with complaints promptly to "remove" sources of potential conflict.

Christ, that sounds extreme. Are they going to starve them out or regain control by overwhelming the town with police (and maybe soldiers)?
 
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bd popeye

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Christ, that sounds extreme. Are they going to starve them out or regain control by overwhelming the town with police (and maybe soldiers)?

I can't find out anything about this situation. No pix..nothing!! If you or anyone have any info please post!!
 

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Christ, that sounds extreme. Are they going to starve them out or regain control by overwhelming the town with police (and maybe soldiers)?

Last I heard is that they are negotiating with the villagers. These provincial government and their greedy development friends needs to curb their ambition a bit or else the central government step in to resolve the issue. I will definitely keep an eye for latest pics and news.
 

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Last I heard is that they are negotiating with the villagers. These provincial government and their greedy development friends needs to curb their ambition a bit or else the central government step in to resolve the issue.
As always in a large organization, when a large number of low-level employees are screwing up, management (the central government and Communist Party leaders) deserves a large portion of the blame. The provincial governments are only playing the game that was established by the central government and Communist Party. If you want to get politically ahead in China, you do it by developing your district, city, or, province's economy. That is the word from higher up--develop, develop, develop. If you don't, you get replaced. If you do, they overlook whatever laws you broke and pollution you caused and give you a promotion. In that kind of system, it's no wonder local officials cozy up to every developer who comes knocking and move mountains to help them.

Provincial governors normally serve a term of five years, and whatever problems emerge in the aftermath are swept under the rug. Everyone heard of Bo Xilai, governor of Chongqing province? He got famous for, among other things, cracking down on organized crime. Yet his predecessor, under which organized organized crime flourished, is a member of the Politburo! You would think Bo's actions would embarrass his predecessor but nothing has happened to him. This is a structural problem with Chinese government--a bias toward short-term growth and lack of long-term accountability.
 

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Some recent pix from Lufeng..

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Residents gather on a street during a demonstration in Wukan village of Lufeng, Guangdong province December 15, 2011, in this photo taken by a mobile phone. Villagers in southern China on Thursday defied authorities and continued protests over a death in custody and land dispute in the latest outburst of simmering rural discontent that is eroding the ruling Communist Party's grip at the grassroots.
 

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These provincial government and their greedy development friends needs to curb their ambition a bit or else the central government step in to resolve the issue.

Hmm, the fast response from the censors (trying to control discussion on Sina Weibo, etc) suggests the central government has their fingers crossed the local authorities will resolve it one way of the other. I have a feeling Beijing might look the other way providing the response (even if unjust) doesn't create a national backlash.

The sad thing is that the local authorities are often making land grabs because they have no money and lots of debt that is coming due. The security on a lot of that debt is land. The 2008 bailout looked smart, but now there's a price to be paid - and it's not being paid by Beijing. If more land grabs are to be avoided, Beijing needs to jack up national taxes to pay off local government debt. But that won't happen because it would make people angry. "No taxation without representation" is a slogan that terrifies the central government.

Of course what is happening in Wukan is plain wrong, but land grabs have been happening for many years. They'll only get more common unless Beijing either increases funding to local government or gives them the ability to raise more taxes directly. Of course that doesn't explain why the town's residents didn't receive money as well. It's not just desperation at financial pressures, I'm sure there's an element of greed as well.
 
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Video from Wukan

[video=youtube;KeVwnhMkhwc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeVwnhMkhwc]wukan1_HOLD.flv[/video]

Background video to the recent disturbances

[video=youtube;lHT6PIKXO2o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHT6PIKXO2o[/video]

Roadblock outside Wukan

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The man whose death started the town's revolution and the waiting riot police

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Hmm, the fast response from the censors (trying to control discussion on Sina Weibo, etc) suggests the central government has their fingers crossed the local authorities will resolve it one way of the other. I have a feeling Beijing might look the other way providing the response (even if unjust) doesn't create a national backlash.

The sad thing is that the local authorities are often making land grabs because they have no money and lots of debt that is coming due. The security on a lot of that debt is land. The 2008 bailout looked smart, but now there's a price to be paid - and it's not being paid by Beijing. If more land grabs are to be avoided, Beijing needs to jack up national taxes to pay off local government debt. But that won't happen because it would make people angry. "No taxation without representation" is a slogan that terrifies the central government.

Of course what is happening in Wukan is plain wrong, but land grabs have been happening for many years. They'll only get more common unless Beijing either increases funding to local government or gives them the ability to raise more taxes directly. Of course that doesn't explain why the town's residents didn't receive money as well. It's not just desperation at financial pressures, I'm sure there's an element of greed as well.

No the central government could always start paying it off with the interests money coming from the currency reserved holdings and US T-bonds on a monthly basis, although it's not what would like to do. You can't tax the people right now, but corporate taxes and higher down payment on property development had helped keep inflation, CPI (consumer price index) and property bubble from growing. The only taxing left is corporate taxation, but then again that would affect Direct Foreign Investments. At this time I don't think China has a choice but to do it for awhile.
 

Equation

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As always in a large organization, when a large number of low-level employees are screwing up, management (the central government and Communist Party leaders) deserves a large portion of the blame. The provincial governments are only playing the game that was established by the central government and Communist Party. If you want to get politically ahead in China, you do it by developing your district, city, or, province's economy. That is the word from higher up--develop, develop, develop. If you don't, you get replaced. If you do, they overlook whatever laws you broke and pollution you caused and give you a promotion. In that kind of system, it's no wonder local officials cozy up to every developer who comes knocking and move mountains to help them.

Provincial governors normally serve a term of five years, and whatever problems emerge in the aftermath are swept under the rug. Everyone heard of Bo Xilai, governor of Chongqing province? He got famous for, among other things, cracking down on organized crime. Yet his predecessor, under which organized organized crime flourished, is a member of the Politburo! You would think Bo's actions would embarrass his predecessor but nothing has happened to him. This is a structural problem with Chinese government--a bias toward short-term growth and lack of long-term accountability.

Yeah, but that's better than what's going on around the western world with the EU in economic turmoil and the US is still fighting over budget deficits. I rather have a growing and developing provinces then one with high unemployment and overspending with tax payers money on pork barrel projects. The Central government gave the provincial government plenty of lea way to develop, but unfortunately some of those officials does not have a grasp of urban planning in mind.
 

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The Central government gave the provincial government plenty of lea way to develop, but unfortunately some of those officials does not have a grasp of urban planning in mind.
The CCP has to rethink its incentive system. It has to incentivize officials who respect the law, protect landowner rights, protect the environment, and balance that with development. Hu Jintao has called for scientific development, which presumably means smart, technocratic development. What you see too often in China is a kind of gangster development, aka crony capitalism. But the CCP's internal discipline system must clearly be weak if these kind of problems keep cropping up. Think organizational behavior. Fighting rampant bad behavior by low level employees is more than a matter of policing and training them more thoroughly, it requires changing the incentive system. Promote people who actually implement "scientific development" and punish officials responsible for debacles like Wukan.
 
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