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China Commercial Aircraft plans plant in Shanghai
Associated Press, 11.18.09

SHANGHAI -- Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China plans to build an assembly line for its homegrown C919 jetliners in Shanghai, the latest step in the country's ambitions to become a leader in world aviation. The company announced the showcase project following a signing ceremony Wednesday with officials of Shanghai's Pudong district, where the plant will be located.

China is counting on the narrow-body, single-aisle C919, China's newest and biggest homegrown commercial jetliner, to compete against Western rivals in the high-stakes international aviation market. Construction of the factory is to begin soon, with capacity to reach 20 C919s and 50 ARJ 21-series regional jets by 2016, the company, which is also known as COMAC, said in a statement.

Shanghai-based COMAC was set up in 2008 to develop and build passenger aircraft. The company also has research and development facilities in Pudong. The C919 is due to make its maiden flight by 2014 and to begin deliveries to customers by 2016.

Earlier this week, General Electric ( GE - news - people )'s aviation unit teamed up with Aviation Industry Corp. of China, COMAC's state-run parent company, to develop and market electronic systems for commercial aircraft customers, including the C919 narrow-body aircraft. GE is also supplying engines for the 70 to 110-seat ARJ-21 passenger jet, designed for the local market.

China's huge aviation market has continued to grow quickly, despite the world economic slump. Air passenger traffic rose nearly 20 percent in the first 10 months of the year from the year before, to 191.9 million, according to the country's Civil Aviation Administration.
 

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震惊!一架飞机非要拆成两个公司搞:四代机前景堪忧
下面的帖子转自国内某著名军事论坛。如果该发言说到属实,那中国四代机的前景非常堪忧!一架飞机非要拆成两个公司搞,某领导身居高位,玩弄权术,妒才嫉能,打压异己,拿国家安全这样的大事开玩笑,这样的人在位,军工科技人员再努力也是事倍功半,甚至抱憾终身。现在终于理解了中国的事情为啥总搞不好了。

一家之言,大家可以不信这个胖子。但是太行、四代后机身、中四的事情他都说中了.....

某人想法:

你1搞四代,居然引入竞争体制,让中电和其他军工部门参与竞争,不用老子指定的行业内企业,老子扯了你!把你调到北京来,架空你!

你1争取到四代重歼的项目,老子强令把后机身的设计建造给别的所和工厂,到时候乱搞一气,造成巨大混乱,还不是要老子出来收拾?

你2自筹资金搞个教练机,就是给你施加压力,老子看中一个就好了,你干嘛要搞内部竞争啊?空军看着高兴跟老子有P关系,老子给你个30座小飞机的项目就可以了,你自己就不要发扬什么主动积极性了。

你3的豹子很受欢迎,就是不许你搞先进攻击型!不然在大飞机的研制中就给你小鞋穿,老子就有这个权。老子看中的单位,项目就得给他们,你们不听话就不让你好过!

你4辛辛苦苦把太行核心机搞出来了,老子一个强令你都给老子转到老子原先那个单位去!结果搞到11B起飞喷零件又怎样?你空军还不是得给钱,给时间让老子来花吗?

现在还要在系统内搞“全局观教育”,接下来你们给工人发工资不能随便发,要按照总公司的要求统一发,有效益工资单不是由各公司工厂按效益自己评定,而是由老子搞一套什么“总部综合评定确定”,重新回头吃大锅饭,让你好的企业跟烂的企业没分别!

你空军想要四代机?做梦!老子特批关系户7搞一个3.8代的重型机,就是要你空军买!先收拾姓杨的5小子,再收拾姓王的厂长,姓罗的5和姓宋的6都遭了老子的黑手了,你们算个P啊!

要什么四代机啊!用老子推荐的3.8代就好了嘛。

以上是胖子的原文,我的注释如下:

胖子:网名PUPU,有可能是中航技的员工,各大中文军事论坛最权威的空军专家之一,《海陆空天惯性世界》主编

某人:林XX,中国XXXX集团公司总经理,党组书记,原沈阳XX发动机集团公司总经理

1 杨伟,国内权威飞行控制专家,J10飞控系统负责人(J10是世界上第一架在试飞阶段没有因为电传系统故障而摔机的应用数字电传飞控的战斗机),J10双座,J10B总设计师,国产四代重型战斗机总设计师,原成都飞机设计研究所所长,现任中航工业副总工程师.成都飞机设计研究所在我国第四代战斗机方案竞标中完胜沈阳飞机设计研究所,林左鸣下令成都把后机身设计制造任务分包给沈阳所和沈飞,理由是成都没有设计制造双发重型战斗机的经验

2指江西的洪都飞机工业集团公司,先进教练机指洪都自筹资金研制的L15猎鹰高级教练机

3 指西安飞机设计研究所(现在称作中航工业第一飞机设计研究院)研制的JH7A飞豹战斗轰炸机,单位飞行时间维护费用只有J8F的六分之一,空军和海航都很喜欢,甚至有部队用JH7A执行空优巡逻任务,西安所研制其先进改型的设想被林左鸣否决,我国下一代先进对地攻击飞机的研发工作被强令转移到沈阳所,西安只得潜心研究大型军用运输机。

4指西安发动机公司(红旗厂),太行的核心机最先是由西安发动机公司从 CFM56民航发动机测绘仿制成功的,林左鸣下令西安把后续生产任务转移到自己曾经任一把手的沈阳黎明发动机集团公司,造成太行生产型几乎没一台合格,J11B上的太行往后喷自己的零件,因此全部趴窝,装太行的J10至今未能完成试飞装备部队.J10B的原型机依然在使用AL31FN。不得已,只得又在西安建立又一条太行生产线。

5姓杨的:杨伟,杨伟领导成都所在四代机方案竞标成功时被强迫免去成都所所长职务,赴北京担任中航工业副总工程师,同时赴京担任同一职务的还有沈阳所所长孙聪,成都所所长由原沈阳所副所长担任,沈阳所所长由原成都所副所长担任

5姓罗的:罗荣怀,原成都飞机工业集团公司董事长,领导成飞完成了J10的试制和批量制造任务,现任已离开中航工业,任与中航工业平级的中央企业中国商用飞机公司副总经理,至于是否是由于受到了排挤才这样做,本人不知

6姓宋的:宋文骢,中国工程院院士,杨伟之前的成都飞机设计研究所所长,J10总设计师,在沈阳工作的时候受到以顾诵芬为首的一批人的排挤,带领同样受排挤的一批人来到成都,白手起家建立了成都飞机设计研究所,同样受到排挤出走的,还有洪都的陆孝彭院士.

7特批关系户:沈飞,3.8代可能指沈飞在四代机竞标失败后准备搞的3.75代舰载战斗机.

另外,中航工业网站上的“国庆阅兵飞机大图”栏目有趣,有趣的很...欢迎大家围观..其实整个栏目上缺少的东西比已经有的东西有趣多了

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胖PU这一炮可打得响,当然航空口内部的矛盾多着呢,一家之言确不可就此定论。看看就好。

象TH的问题,究竟有没有人在生产厂家的确定上做手脚,外人根本看不出来。而出现质量问题,似乎一定程度上也和设计有关,不好只说某厂的责任。

不过有一点确实的,SF手上的项目编号从J15一路到了J19,居然都是山寨27的某种改型。这种情况MS在米帝都极少见吧。如果没有一定的上级指令,真难想象会如此在已经要落后的型号上扔那么多钱。

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Someone with more knowledge of this maybe able to comment more but this 'laser shock processing' thing sounds significant not just for aviation but all fields related to material processing.

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China's laser technology to strengthen the impact of industrialization
2008-11-30 2008-11-30

【大公網訊】由西安天瑞達光電技術發展有限公司和陜西藍鷹航空電器有限公司共同承建的中國第一條激光衝擊強化生產線,日前在西安閻良國家航空高技術產業基地建成。 Grand】 【inquiry by the network up to Tin Shui Xian Photonics Development Company Limited and Shaanxi WrightEagle Aviation Electrical Appliance Co., Ltd. jointly build China's first laser shock line, a few days ago in Xi'an Yanliang State Aviation built high-tech industry base. 這標誌著中國激光衝擊強化技術向工程化應用邁出了重要一步,使中國成為繼美國之後世界上第二個可實現該項技術工業化應用的國家。 This indicates that China's laser technology to project the impact of strengthening the application of an important step, making China the world after the United States can achieve a second application of the technology of industrialization.

同時,由空軍工程大學、西安天瑞達光電技術發展有限公司和北京鐳寶激光技術有限公司共同研製的「激光衝擊強化成套設備及關鍵技術」,也於日前通過了國家權威鑒定委員會的技術成果鑒定,這些都標誌著中國激光衝擊強化應用技術取得了重大突破。 At the same time, by the Air Force Engineering University, Xi'an up to Tin Shui Photonics Development Co., Ltd. and Beijing Lei Bao Laser Technology Co., Ltd. jointly developed the "laser shock sets of equipment and key technologies" in a few days ago through the identification of the authority of the State Committee Identification of technological achievements, which marked the Chinese laser shock applied technology has made a major breakthrough.

激光衝擊強化技術是利用強激光束產生的等離子衝擊波,提高金屬材料的抗疲勞、耐磨損和抗腐蝕能力的一種高新技術。 Laser technology is to strengthen the impact of the use of laser beam generated by PDP shock wave, the metal material to enhance the anti-fatigue, wear and corrosion resistance of a high-tech. 它與現有的冷擠壓、噴丸等金融材料表面強化手段相比,具有非接觸、無熱影響區、可控性強以及強化效果顯著等突出優點。 With the existing cold extrusion, shot and other financial means to strengthen the surface compared with non-contact, no heat affected zone, controllable, as well as strengthen the strong results, and other significant advantages.

激光衝擊強化技術在美國航空裝備製造與維修以及其他裝備製造業正得到廣泛的應用。 Laser technology in the United States to strengthen the impact of aviation equipment manufacture and maintenance of equipment and other manufacturing industries are being widely used. 美國GE公司已經用此項技術為美國空軍強化了數萬件航空部件,據美國國防部估計,在美國空軍現有飛機壽命期內,用激光衝擊強化可節約60億美元的維修成本。 GE of the United States has used the technology for the U.S. Air Force has strengthened the tens of thousands of pieces of aviation components, according to the U.S. Department of Defense estimates that in the United States Air Force during the life of existing aircraft, laser shock savings of 6,000,000,000 U.S. dollars in maintenance costs. 2004年,美國還為F22戰鬥機建設了價值2億美元的激光衝擊強化生產線。 In 2004, the United States F22 fighter for the construction of 200,000,000 U.S. dollars worth of laser shock line.

此次中國激光衝擊強化應用技術取得重大突破,對解決中國飛機發動機疲勞斷裂問題、提高其可靠性將具有重大的意義。 China's laser technology applications to strengthen the impact of a major breakthrough to solve the problem of fatigue fracture Chinese aircraft engine problems and improve its reliability will be of great significance.

新華社西安30日電 Xinhua News Agency, Xi'an, 30th --

LOL, "Laser shock processing". Shouldn't it be translate as "laser cutting"?
 

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中国航空工业集团公司重组整合现有大中型飞机产业的研发、制造资源,昨天在西安高新区组建成立中航飞机有限责任公司。这标志着我国大型运输机项目和大型客机零部件项目的责任主体确定。

新公司注册资本120亿元,总资产335亿元。总部和研发中心设立在西安高新区内,公司成员包括西安飞机工业集团公司,中航起落架有限公司、中航第一飞机设计研究院等多家单位。未来将主要承担我国大中型军用和民用飞机的研制任务。

据了解,中航工业的整合重组主要是针对我国航空工业资源分散、结构不合理的状况。未来1年内,他们还将陆续整合直升机、机载系统等15大业务板块。

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China Aviation Industry Corporation reorganization and integration of existing medium and large aircraft industry and R & D, manufacturing resources, yesterday in Xi'an High-tech Zone was set up by the Aircraft to form limited liability company. This indicates that China's large-scale transport projects and large-scale aircraft components to determine the main responsibility for the project.

The new company registered capital of 12.0 billion, total assets of 33.5 billion. Headquarters and R & D centers set up in Xi'an High-tech zone, members of the company including the Xi'an Aircraft Industry Corporation, China National Aviation Co., Ltd. landing gear, the first airplane flight and Design Institute and many other units. The future will be mainly responsible for China's medium and large military and civil aircraft development tasks.

It is understood that the aircraft industry, integration and restructuring mainly aimed at China's aviation industry scattered resources, irrational structure conditions. The next one year, they will gradually integrate helicopters, airborne systems, 15 major business segment.
 

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Laser cutting is the correct word. You can't translate word for word from Chinese to English. Example the die-cutting machine is called 冲床(literally Rush-Bed).
 

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Is it really the first front section of the C919 ??? ... or only a test-frame ??

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Is it really the first front section of the C919 ??? ... or only a test-frame ??

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C919机头工程样机的制造周期极其紧张,从设计到制造,周期总共仅有约半年的时间。在这半年里,需要完成工艺准备、零件配套、装配制造、包装发运。这对成飞民机公司的整个制造体系而言无疑是一次严峻的挑战。残酷的实事也迫使设计团队在样机设计过程中必须高度并行工装设计 /制造、工艺准备、零件制造,以最大限度缩短样机制造周期。
it mention include match parts, not only frame.
 

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the article said:
C919机头工程样机的制造周期极其紧张,从设计到制造,周期总共仅有约半年的时间。在这半年里,需要完成工艺准备、零件配套、装配制造、包装发运。这对成飞民机公司的整个制造体系而言无疑是一次严峻的挑战。残酷的实事也迫使设计团队在样机设计过程中必须高度并行工装设计 /制造、工艺准备、零件制造,以最大限度缩短样机制造周期。
it mention include match parts, not only frame.

Sorry ... what does that mean "match parts" ???

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