China's Westward One Belt One Road Strategy

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Anyone still dreaming of including India into OBOR should watch this video. Relation can only established between 2 self confidence nation. If one of them still nurturing grudge or suspicion on the motive of the other then there will be no relation. Another thing too hang up on 1 dimension issue missed the larger picture. I say good riddance

Question: What is the back ground of India channel? Is it the Indian government or some "independent" outfit?
Also I quote from Ambassador Bhadrakumar:
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Our pundits blithely assume that Belt and Road is about connectivity and connectivity means roads, highways and ports and infrastructure construction, which is what minister Nitin Gadkari is handling competently enough anyway, isn’t it? In reality, they remain entrapped in Sinophobia and just don’t get the point. The point is, India may not be a great globalizer today, but it could be one tomorrow. And Belt and Road is about a whole new global supply chain appearing on the horizon.
In another blog he noticed that India will be investing in a port in Sri Lanka, Trincomalee, one that was offered to India already in 1987, but that will at last be taken up now in competition with China thus building part of OBOR without China paying for it.
 

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China's first freight train to London completes round trip
On the first day of 2017, the China Railway Express sent out its first London-bound train, marking the eighth line from China to Europe. On April 29 the first returning train arrived at Yiwu in east China's Zhejiang province. (Source: CGTN)


 
Pakistan has the potential to outpace India by large margins. Like the West, India sees certain parts of the world as lost causes. That's why the West never had a plan to develop in places like Africa. Ever since China got involved with a mutual economic business strategy versus the West's aid dependency plan, those parts of Africa are showing economic growth never seen and believed possible under Western stewardship. The same beliefs they've had of Central Asia as well. But they're alarmed now. Central Asia is furthest from the US's mind literally and figuratively when it comes to business economics. If India had the economic power, they would've done something in their favor already. Since they haven't been able to in their own backyard, it tells you how limited their power is which is why they're afraid of this economic corridor between China and Pakistan. Concern over Chinese expansionism and hegemony are covers for... they're simply not the ones in control. Ironic how the people who claim to be more open-minded are the hardest pessimists.

It's not an issue of pessimism but one of systemic condescending prejudice as companion to and cover for deliberate corruption and oppression to facilitate easy exploitation.
 

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Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region is the country's new gateway to South Asia, which is expected to play an important role in China's "One Belt and One Road" initiative. As trade between
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Autonomous Region and Nepal has grown, local authorities have stepped up efforts to integrate the autonomous region into the South Asia Economic Corridor. A trade route connecting the city of Xigaze and Gyirong county has become a freight route for Chinese companies doing business with Nepal.

 

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East West Corridor: The planning body approved a 7 billion project of construction of 4 –Lane Bridge across River Indus connecting Kallur Kot Bhakkar with Dhakki area of Dera Ismail Khan. Ahsan Iqbal instructed that the 14 km approach road to the bridge would be constructed by the government of Punjab.It will link Indus Highway N-55 with MM Road

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Hi,

This is my first post after a near-decade of lurking and following this forum, but I've been following this thread quite intensely over the past several months as it is tangentially related to some work I do in a professional capacity and is updated frequently (thank you in particular @timepass).

The below article which prompted this post attempts to pour a bit of cold water on existing and upcoming CPEC investments, drawing tenuous parallels between current Chinese investment in Pakistan and the failed investments made by western countries over the past several decades. Unsurprisingly, both authors are Indian. To my understanding the current level of infrastructure investment is unprecedented, though similar if not greater sums have been "invested" in the past by western nations, albeit less productively.

Specifically in relation to this article, I'd like to ask more informed members about the claim mentioned in the article that " ..the army has cited the task of securing the corridor
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to raise an entire new division of nine battalions and six “civil wings
". It was my understanding that these units were created through reassigning existing civilian and military units into new groupings? Or are they really new from the ground up? Would anyone happen to know roughly the size of these battalions and wings as well as their armaments?

Thanks in advance.

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China Repeats West's Mistakes in Pakistan

MAY 3, 2017 9:07 PM EST
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$46 billion worth of investments into Pakistan, the recipients of his largesse seemed less surprised than one might have expected. The military and political elites of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have long extracted aid from outside powers in return for keeping a lid on things at home. As far back as April 1948, barely eight months after independence, Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan assured Pakistani military commanders that three-quarters of the new nation’s budget would be devoted to defense -- fully expecting that the U.S. would underwrite the pledge.

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Xi will no doubt tout the Pakistan investments -- which include a network of road, rail, power and port projects that are collectively known as the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, or CPEC -- at his massive “Belt and Road”
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later this month. The Chinese argue these projects won't just link China to markets and suppliers from Europe to Southeast Asia, but also promote stability and development in the countries on its periphery. Indeed, even the International Monetary Fund
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that China’s billions will ease Pakistan’s chronic supply-side constraints and perhaps reduce the pressure on the country’s development budget.

That, however, reflects the sort of blind optimism to which Pakistan’s U.S. sponsors have succumbed for decades. If the Chinese aren’t careful, they, too, will find that their money has bought them little more than headaches.

As part of CPEC, Chinese loans will flow into Pakistan for urban transport infrastructure, for power plants and for ports and highways. The first tranche focuses on power -- $18 billion is earmarked for the sector, particularly for coal-fired plants -- and $10 billion has been promised for highways, ports and Pakistan Railways.


China usually
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to live up to such big promises, of course. But the numbers being bandied about have already seized Pakistan’s imagination. Sectors like
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have started growing in response, boosting the Karachi Stock Exchange, which was the world’s best-performing last year. Real estate prices
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, too.

For China, the benefits of the corridor seem obvious. Much of its grand strategy rests on trying to
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the “Malacca dilemma”: 80 percent of its oil, and much of its trade, flows through a narrow chokepoint at the Straits of Malacca that would be dangerously easy for the U.S., say, or India to blockade. One way to reduce that dependence would be to land oil or goods at China’s new Arabian Sea port at Gwadar, in Pakistan’s Balochistan province, and move them overland to Xinjiang province. In the process, Chinese analysts
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, China might well be able to improve Pakistan’s economy, stabilize its politics and render it a bit less troublesome than it currently is.

Such reasoning overlooks several lessons of the past. The first: Don’t ignore Pakistan’s domestic politics. Already the whole program has become tangled in an internal tug-of-war. Leaders from restive Balochistan complain that CPEC, which was originally supposed to run mostly through their province and neighboring Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, now looks to benefit mostly the richer eastern provinces of Punjab and Sindh.
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the route was changed to benefit Punjab in particular; the province is the stronghold of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and is ruled by his brother Shahbaz.

For the Chinese, these are uncharted waters. They will have to balance gains to the ruling elites in Islamabad and Lahore with those to the locals in Balochistan, who are more than capable of violently disrupting work on the corridor. If China fails to do so, Pakistan will end up more unstable, not less.

The second lesson is to beware of the Pakistan army. Decades of foreign support have only further entrenched the military at the center of not just Pakistan’s state, but its economy and society.

Pakistan is noisy and disputatious enough to make Chinese planners wonder whether the army
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than the civilian government or the private sector. Already, CPEC has
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civil-military disputes in a country that saw its first peaceful democratic transfer of power only a few years ago. Military organizations have begun much of the corridor’s work,
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road-building. CPEC was at the top of the agenda
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Pakistan’s army chief visited Beijing last month. And the army has cited the task of securing the corridor
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to raise an entire new division of nine battalions and six “civil wings.”


The pattern is familiar to many in Washington: Money sent to Pakistan has a habit of winding up further bolstering the army’s power. Meanwhile, the civilian government is quietly but rapidly losing enthusiasm for CPEC projects, which it correctly recognizes may
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instead of increasing them. For two successive years, the government has stepped in to
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of Pakistan’s own money committed to the corridor.

The stronger the army, and the weaker the incentives for the civilian government to open up the economy to countries other than China, the less likely Pakistan is to prosper in the coming decades. There’s no question a more stable and prosperous Pakistan is vital for South and West Asia, for China and for the world. But it’s far from certain that CPEC will produce one.
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timepass

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Hi,

This is my first post after a near-decade of lurking and following this forum, but I've been following this thread quite intensely over the past several months as it is tangentially related to some work I do in a professional capacity and is updated frequently (thank you in particular @timepass).

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Indians are typical treacherous as usual. In Chinese sites they will bad mouth against Pakistan and all negativity. In Pakistani site they will paint China as blood sucker, new colonialist who flood local markets with cheap goods and labours. Just visit Pakistani online news like Dawn or Tribune or Youtube for CPEC or China related news, Indians trolls are lurking busy spreading all kind of conspiracy and negativity
 

AndrewS

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What is being done in Pakistan is pretty much what has just been done in China.

It's a struggle to see how the current CPEC projects won't pay off big time in the long-run

Pakistan has a huge electricity shortage. How can the CPEC power plants not help resolve this?

Modern roads and railways are also being built, and remember that Pakistan is a county with almost 200million people, which is almost two-thirds of a USA.

As for military involvement in CPEC, the military is the most competent institution in Pakistan, and way more organised than the civilian government.

And having the military making money from business is good at this stage, as business thrives better when there is peace and stability


Hi,

This is my first post after a near-decade of lurking and following this forum, but I've been following this thread quite intensely over the past several months as it is tangentially related to some work I do in a professional capacity and is updated frequently (thank you in particular @timepass).

The below article which prompted this post attempts to pour a bit of cold water on existing and upcoming CPEC investments, drawing tenuous parallels between current Chinese investment in Pakistan and the failed investments made by western countries over the past several decades. Unsurprisingly, both authors are Indian. To my understanding the current level of infrastructure investment is unprecedented, though similar if not greater sums have been "invested" in the past by western nations, albeit less productively.

Specifically in relation to this article, I'd like to ask more informed members about the claim mentioned in the article that " ..the army has cited the task of securing the corridor
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to raise an entire new division of nine battalions and six “civil wings
". It was my understanding that these units were created through reassigning existing civilian and military units into new groupings? Or are they really new from the ground up? Would anyone happen to know roughly the size of these battalions and wings as well as their armaments?

Thanks in advance.

--

China Repeats West's Mistakes in Pakistan

MAY 3, 2017 9:07 PM EST
By
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When President Xi Jinping announced in 2015 that China would
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$46 billion worth of investments into Pakistan, the recipients of his largesse seemed less surprised than one might have expected. The military and political elites of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have long extracted aid from outside powers in return for keeping a lid on things at home. As far back as April 1948, barely eight months after independence, Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan assured Pakistani military commanders that three-quarters of the new nation’s budget would be devoted to defense -- fully expecting that the U.S. would underwrite the pledge.

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Xi will no doubt tout the Pakistan investments -- which include a network of road, rail, power and port projects that are collectively known as the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, or CPEC -- at his massive “Belt and Road”
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later this month. The Chinese argue these projects won't just link China to markets and suppliers from Europe to Southeast Asia, but also promote stability and development in the countries on its periphery. Indeed, even the International Monetary Fund
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that China’s billions will ease Pakistan’s chronic supply-side constraints and perhaps reduce the pressure on the country’s development budget.

That, however, reflects the sort of blind optimism to which Pakistan’s U.S. sponsors have succumbed for decades. If the Chinese aren’t careful, they, too, will find that their money has bought them little more than headaches.

As part of CPEC, Chinese loans will flow into Pakistan for urban transport infrastructure, for power plants and for ports and highways. The first tranche focuses on power -- $18 billion is earmarked for the sector, particularly for coal-fired plants -- and $10 billion has been promised for highways, ports and Pakistan Railways.


China usually
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to live up to such big promises, of course. But the numbers being bandied about have already seized Pakistan’s imagination. Sectors like
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have started growing in response, boosting the Karachi Stock Exchange, which was the world’s best-performing last year. Real estate prices
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, too.

For China, the benefits of the corridor seem obvious. Much of its grand strategy rests on trying to
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the “Malacca dilemma”: 80 percent of its oil, and much of its trade, flows through a narrow chokepoint at the Straits of Malacca that would be dangerously easy for the U.S., say, or India to blockade. One way to reduce that dependence would be to land oil or goods at China’s new Arabian Sea port at Gwadar, in Pakistan’s Balochistan province, and move them overland to Xinjiang province. In the process, Chinese analysts
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, China might well be able to improve Pakistan’s economy, stabilize its politics and render it a bit less troublesome than it currently is.

Such reasoning overlooks several lessons of the past. The first: Don’t ignore Pakistan’s domestic politics. Already the whole program has become tangled in an internal tug-of-war. Leaders from restive Balochistan complain that CPEC, which was originally supposed to run mostly through their province and neighboring Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, now looks to benefit mostly the richer eastern provinces of Punjab and Sindh.
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the route was changed to benefit Punjab in particular; the province is the stronghold of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and is ruled by his brother Shahbaz.

For the Chinese, these are uncharted waters. They will have to balance gains to the ruling elites in Islamabad and Lahore with those to the locals in Balochistan, who are more than capable of violently disrupting work on the corridor. If China fails to do so, Pakistan will end up more unstable, not less.

The second lesson is to beware of the Pakistan army. Decades of foreign support have only further entrenched the military at the center of not just Pakistan’s state, but its economy and society.

Pakistan is noisy and disputatious enough to make Chinese planners wonder whether the army
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than the civilian government or the private sector. Already, CPEC has
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civil-military disputes in a country that saw its first peaceful democratic transfer of power only a few years ago. Military organizations have begun much of the corridor’s work,
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road-building. CPEC was at the top of the agenda
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Pakistan’s army chief visited Beijing last month. And the army has cited the task of securing the corridor
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to raise an entire new division of nine battalions and six “civil wings.”


The pattern is familiar to many in Washington: Money sent to Pakistan has a habit of winding up further bolstering the army’s power. Meanwhile, the civilian government is quietly but rapidly losing enthusiasm for CPEC projects, which it correctly recognizes may
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
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instead of increasing them. For two successive years, the government has stepped in to
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of Pakistan’s own money committed to the corridor.

The stronger the army, and the weaker the incentives for the civilian government to open up the economy to countries other than China, the less likely Pakistan is to prosper in the coming decades. There’s no question a more stable and prosperous Pakistan is vital for South and West Asia, for China and for the world. But it’s far from certain that CPEC will produce one.
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