China's Westward One Belt One Road Strategy

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It's important for Syria to be stabilized. Therefore, China should send forces to join hand with Russia, Iran and Syrian government to drive out ISIS.

Rather China could one day send her large force of peaceful development to Syria. Once with this stupid war is over and the country is more stable can the fruit of economic development has a chance to bear fruit.
 

tidalwave

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Rather China could one day send her large force of peaceful development to Syria. Once with this stupid war is over and the country is more stable can the fruit of economic development has a chance to bear fruit.
Those ISIS and freedom fighters are troubles supported by Turkey and you know who.

China now has less worrying now trade war has started and may need its military to advance it's economic interests
 

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Those ISIS and freedom fighters are troubles supported by Turkey and you know who.

China now has less worrying now trade war has started and may need its military to advance it's economic interests
True, but even ISIS are running out of both money and fresh warm bodies for cannon fodder fighting for their cause.
 
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"China will operate Haifa port, near Israel's alleged nuclear-armed submarines, and it seems no one in Israel thought about the strategic ramifications"

Okay strike me down with dumbfoundness, but this one completely blind sided me. I had always known that Israel had relations with China. But I never expected them to do something of this magnitude.
This singular act is going to send shockwaves across the geopolitical spectrum. On the surface, a 25 year lease on a civilian port may seem innocent enough. But lob in the fact that the nation in question is one of the few that had confirmed but not declared nuclear weapons, alongside with one of the most prickliest foreign relations in the immediate area as well as being perhaps the biggest "yes man" state on US foreign policy and one has to imagine what was going on in the heads of those who were making the decisions.
This mean that China is taking another step close to plunging itself into the depths of Middle Eastern politics for good or ill. How will it juggle the interests of both Iran and Israel, the most reactive (explosively) relations in the area, will be a topic worth watching.
 

ougoah

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Many of China's long term strategic interests involve the middle east. For one it would like to keep radical Islam at bay or removed from Earth altogether in favour of the Islam that the CCP considers more "reasonable" like Shia dominant Iran. A good reason for this is the fear of separatist movements gathering momentum in western China. Bolstering Han-minority relations and treating the nation and those regions as ethnically homogenous is important while working on pushing post-ethnic nationality, all before radical Islam spreads throughout China, if it does.

Other considerations are for trade routes not being disturbed by warfare or instability. Chinese leaders also expect to secure energy sourcing routes if conflicts break out. Energy dependence is the other key consideration.

Israeli leaders are perhaps the only other group that seems to overtly plan for the EXTREME long term. We can speculate on Israeli strategy for China and vice versa, but it's really early days to attempt an understanding of why something like this decision was made. Any claims will be fraught with possible myopia.
 
related to the most recent posts here is (dated
Sep 17, 2018, 11:15 AM)
China, the Port of Haifa and Mideast Peace
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It has been reported recently in Newsweek and Haaretz regarding a deal that has been struck for the management of Haifa’s port to be handled by a Chinese company, the Shanghai International Port Group. This is due to begin in 2021 and to run for 25 years.

While most of the coverage on this topic has been around the effect this may have on US naval interests in Israel, there is another issue at stake, which is that Haifa’s strategic value is such that it could well be the single largest prize of any regional peace settlement, and handing its control to the Chinese could backfire on Israel’s interests should there be a regional agreement in the next 28 years.

Israel’s unique geographic location on the east of the Mediterranean gives it a strategic advantage as a conduit of trade between the East and West. Although most of this trade currently goes through the Suez Canal, the port at Haifa allows countries of the Middle East to bypass the canal and to access the Mediterranean directly.

There are three significant benefits of this, particularly for the export of oil from the Persian Gulf to Europe and the US.

The first is that it is a more secure route than the current route around the Arabian Peninsula, where there are threats of the closure of the straits of Hurmuz near Iran, instability near Yemen and complete control of the Suez Canal by Egypt, which has only stabilised in recent years and is still fighting an insurgency in Sinai. The whole region is often embroiled in conflict, including Sudan and Eritrea which also line the Red Sea route. A pipeline from the major exporters through Jordan to Israel, can actually be a more stable and reliable route.

The second, is cost. Transit fees through the Suez Canal are steep, at around US$400,000 per ship depending on size. This provides Egypt with $5b in revenues last year alone. This fee is so steep that some struggling carriers are considering taking the long route around Africa to get to Europe when fuel costs are low, despite the additional 7000 miles of transit.

The third reason is speed. There is an additional thousand miles of transit when shipping along the Arabian Peninsula route, than if the oil was piped and loaded onto tankers in Haifa. Haifa’s port also has a natural deep harbour, making it ideal for the loading up of oil tankers, and is one of the largest in the western Mediterranean in terms of volume.

It is for these reasons that the British originally insisted on control of Palestine after the first World War, in the context of Haifa being a perfect route for oil to come from the Gulf to Britain, and similarly it is likely to be the reason for the current interest of the Chinese, to secure their maritime trade routes to and from Europe, should there be problems with the Suez Canal. This is part of a larger strategy of insuring the Maritime Belt of the new Silk Roads.

In fact Haifa as a logical choice from which to export was historically understood and adopted by the main exporters of oil in the region. Iran had a pipeline to Haifa, which was discontinued when the Islamic Revolution took place in 1979, as did Iraq from the oilfields in Kirkuk from 1935 until 1948, when Israel was formed. Saudi Arabia also intended the Trans Arabian pipeline to go through to Haifa but upon the formation of Israel, chose the inconvenience of piping north through Syria and Lebanon. This was a disadvantage as the route needed to travel through another country – Syria, which was aligned with the Russians, a competitor of Saudi oil and also another set of pipeline transit fees. This was later discontinued over squabbles over precisely these fees. One analyst reportedly said that had the pipeline gone to Haifa it would have saved 40% on transportation cost over shipping through Suez to Europe, a staggering amount of savings for an operation as large as the oil industry. What comes out from all this that Haifa is actually the natural port of export for the oil of the Middle East, and only due to the political situation that this potential is not actualized.

If there was a regional arrangement between one or more of the major exporters, such as already exists with Egypt and Jordan, Haifa would once again take up its important strategic role, which would then translate to large revenues from transit fees and other port related fees involved in the loading of the oil tankers. Considering that Haifa is naturally placed to be the link between the Persian Gulf’s oil and the western markets of Europe and the Unites States, this could even be the largest economic prize of a regional arrangement, for all sides.

Although a regional peace arrangement may not look imminent, with such a long term agreement for the Chinese company to manage the port – up until 2046, Israel would be wise to consider its long term interests and make sure that they are not selling themselves short.
 
LOL I add to what I posted right above it's a peculiar story which started some time ago: Mar 24, 2015
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Chinese Company to Run New Haifa Port
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Shanghai International Port Group was sole bidder for 25-year contract.

Shanghai International Port Group, the Chinese company that operates the city’s deep water port and the world’s largest harbor for container cargo, will operate the new private harbor being developed in Haifa...
... and the rest is behind paywall
 

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It seems as if another spanner was thrown into PRC's plan;

Maldives Opposition Declares Election Victory

NEW DELHI — The Maldives, the isolated scattering of islands caught in a geopolitical struggle between China, India and the West, were thrust into more uncertainty Sunday when voters appeared to have ousted the country’s autocratic president.

With votes still being tallied, local news organizations reported that Ibrahim Mohamed Solih, the opposition candidate, had beaten President Abdulla Yameen. Mr. Solih won 58 percent of the vote with about 97 percent of ballots counted, according to the independent news website
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Transparency Maldives, an election watchdog, said he had won “by a decisive margin.”

As Mr. Solih declared victory and his supporters danced in the street, observers held their breath as they waited to see what Mr. Yameen would do next..... to
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China has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on infrastructure projects in the Maldives, which critics, including the political opposition, warn amount to “debt-trap diplomacy” that weighs down the recipient country with loans in order to secure a naval base as repayment. The governments of both countries reject that assessment.

Even before the elections on Sunday, Mr. Yameen had been accused of rigging them, forcing employees of state-owned companies to vote for his party, stacking the election commission with loyalists, locking up opposition leaders and canceling voter registrations.

Dejavu ?
Didn't this happen before in Malyasia?
I wonder how much they will find in Mr. Yameen's bank account?
 

Hendrik_2000

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It seems as if another spanner was thrown into PRC's plan;

Dejavu ?
Didn't this happen before in Malyasia?
I wonder how much they will find in Mr. Yameen's bank account?

Sure didn't this happened in Sri Lanka too what happened since? Sri lanka crawl back to china with tin can at hand asking for more loan
Malaysia is not going to cancel the project they might postponed it otherwise they have to pay 50 billion USd penalty
A contract is a contract China is not going to give them a reprieve.The Malay always have entitlement privilege in their own land. So they think they can abrogate agreement one sided any time they want whatever the excuse is
But that doesn't work that way. They can but pay penalty

Mahathir want to abrogate water treaty with Singapore and demand 10X increase in the water rate But Singapore said NYET a deal is a deal
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At one point former Singapore Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said he was prepared to send troops to Malaysia if it tried to turn off the taps. Calls to Singapore's Ministry of Environment and Water Resources went unanswered on Sunday (June 24).
 
seeing Maldives in this page ... here's the tweet
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With the landing of the first A-380 aircraft, Maldives’ Velana International Airport opened its new runway constructed by China

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