China's Westward One Belt One Road Strategy

ougoah

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And who is working?
No PRC did not lose any money since they took away the port WHICH then intended to at all cost with bribes and coercion.
If PRC was looking for a more diplomatic solution they would not have enforced a 99 years lease like Hong Kong.

Do you have proof for those bribes and coercion? I think not. So you're talking crap out of your mouth? Off you go troll. You see it's easy to slander others with made up bullshit when you don't need to present any evidence. It's unfortunately acceptable online but in real life, claims need to be backed up before anyone serious can accept it. It's easy to slander the Japanese, Americans, British, whoever you want, too. The only difference is there is mountains of evidence if one wished to play the shit throwing game. I suggest you stay away because it'll look worse for you.

What do you suggest the PRC does if you were in that position then? Are there really things of strategic value for the PRC apart from the port lease? Did they force the deal on the Sri Lankans? No and No. Are the Chinese playing charity? Are the Chinese wealthy? No and No. I've yet to see one single other nation truly act out of kindness with absolutely nothing to gain. So why expect China to be a charity? The deals are open and transparent. We know China wants something to gain. It's not up to China to help other nations to realise the potential (if any) from these deals. How the .... is this anything like imperialism then? Only brain dead haters must equate the two without any effort to really understand the motivations. You're just annoyed China got something out of this and therefore it is a terrible thing. Predictable one-dimensional thinking from yet another China-hater. Keep thinking you're on the "good guys" team.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Don't really care what you think, if you have any problems refute the article!!
And by the way, the one belt thingy was about MUTUAL gain and yet only one side is gaining so what who is at gunpoint and who is holding the gun?

Now who is talking here ADB(Asian development bank) is practically Japan's creation to foster good will and amend the WWII aggression with headquarter in Manila
I bet from their window office in Manila they can see how poor the Philippine is. Manila is in dire need of all kind of infrastructure like road and bridges Yet they didn't get it from Japan ADB because Japan is so stingy and their industry exploit Phillipino worker Talking about worker they restrict and limited Phillipino to work in Japan even though Japan is in dire need for care giver of their elderly folk. Plus Japan is wealthy country
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It fell on China to built bridges in Manila and allowed Phillipino teacher and domestic helper to work in China therefore alleviating poverty and long suffering Phillipino
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There are ten of thousand of Phillipino domestic helper and now China also allowed Phillipine domestic helper to work in China with set minimum wages of $2700/month
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ougoah

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It's hilarious how the real imperialists and their sympathisers are ALWAYS citical of China at EVERY opportunity and even when it doesn't play to their tune, they exaggerate or make things up so that it does. These people are NEVER critical of US imperialism and IMF "imperialism" despite the mountains of solid evidence. It's nearly always the same people from the same countries. Strange don't you think. The enslaved masses are beginning to realise the game. These people are also always insanely bitter and jealous to see people they consider "undesirable" or "lesser" than them becoming wealthier and increasing their political and economic power.

Humans are pretty vile and selfish creatures. It's always the "newcomers" that get the rough treatment. Half a century ago it was the Japanese. Now they are accepted by the old timers. Then it was the Koreans. With every established newcomer, the old timers have their entitlement to an unfair share of the world's resources eroded. This is the real reason for the bitterness. Not because of authoritarianism or whatever the excuse is. Do you really think these people care about the wellbeing of Chinese citizens "suffering" under authoritarianism? No they hate it because it is working well for the Chinese.
 
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Do you have proof for those bribes and coercion? I think not. So you're talking crap out of your mouth? Off you go troll. You see it's easy to slander others with made up bullshit when you don't need to present any evidence. It's unfortunately acceptable online but in real life, claims need to be backed up before anyone serious can accept it. It's easy to slander the Japanese, Americans, British, whoever you want, too. The only difference is there is mountains of evidence if one wished to play the shit throwing game. I suggest you stay away because it'll look worse for you.

What do you suggest the PRC does if you were in that position then? Are there really things of strategic value for the PRC apart from the port lease? Did they force the deal on the Sri Lankans? No and No. Are the Chinese playing charity? Are the Chinese wealthy? No and No. I've yet to see one single other nation truly act out of kindness with absolutely nothing to gain. So why expect China to be a charity? The deals are open and transparent. We know China wants something to gain. It's not up to China to help other nations to realise the potential (if any) from these deals. How the .... is this anything like imperialism then? Only brain dead haters must equate the two without any effort to really understand the motivations. You're just annoyed China got something out of this and therefore it is a terrible thing.
first: this is not SamuraiBlue responding so don't shoot LOL

now, some say

(and I don't know, what I think is posted 21 minutes ago)

China wants to hook up so called third world countries using loans

an example:
A Port to Nowhere
part (I don't want to take out anything out of context, so don't repost)
of
How China Got Sri Lanka to Cough Up a Port
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ougoah

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first: this is not SamuraiBlue responding so don't shoot LOL

now, some say

(and I don't know, what I think is posted 21 minutes ago)

China wants to hook up so called third world countries using loans

an example:
A Port to Nowhere
part (I don't want to take out anything out of context, so don't repost)
of
How China Got Sri Lanka to Cough Up a Port
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What he said was totally wrong and insulting. I hope any smart and reasonable person reading can see how ridiculous it is to compare China's OBOR with Britain's gunboat "diplomacy". Albeit it is expected lazyman's "thinking" where they just read the latest western media reports on OBOR. Chinese media reports on the matter is always so positive on the effort. God I wonder why :rolleyes:

I don't know what China's doing and hoping to achieve from the OBOR. It is reasonable to say it can play into China's favour. But of course, they are planning on this or why would they bother? But the trouble is in suggesting this is somehow an evil act by a nation. Whether countries want to participate is up to them. There is no punishment for not. How deeply they want to commit and what they want to put on the line is also up to themselves. China does not have final say on how a nation commits. Corrupting forces may be where sinister agendas are deployed but there's been no concrete evidence to suggest China's bribing officials along the way with a grand strategy at play. In fact, OBOR seems like it might end up getting canned or delayed for now.

A port to nowhere today, is not necessarily a port to nowhere forever. The only reason they built anything there is because they see potential for something. Just because the journalist (morons and/or propagandists) can't understand something, doesn't mean there is nothing to understand or something sinister at play.
 
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I don't know what China's doing and hoping to achieve from the OBOR. ...
only now looked up how much actually was it;

it's on the order of $15b yearly (
Chinese investment in Belt and Road countries remains stable in 2017
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) = not much really, LOL money for one overpriced aircraft carrier (if you follow the USN)
 

Hendrik_2000

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I admit I've now converted my salary to USD, it's ... less than that LOL!

yes Japan society if parochial and narrow minded,selfish. All Chinese dominated community in Singapore, Hongkong, Taiwan employed other poorer Asian as domestic helper as a way to alleviate poverty Not all of them has generous salary. Take Singapore only 5 million people but has 250,000 domestic helper from other Asian country that is 5% of the population with very strict regulation as to protect those helper

Minimum pay for Filipino maids to go up May 1: Philippine embassy

Singapore has about 240,000 domestic workers and about a third of them are Filipino.
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SINGAPORE: From May 1, the minimum salary for domestic workers from the Philippines will be raised from S$550 to S$570, the Philippines Embassy’s Overseas Labour Office (POLO-SG) said on Friday (Mar 31).

In a notice to its more than 200 accredited employment agencies, the embassy’s Labour Attache Ramon Pastrana said this is due to the “fluctuation of exchange rates of the USD” in relation to the Singapore dollar.


The last revision for the minimum salary took place in 2012, where it went up from S$500 to S$550.

Singapore has about 240,000 domestic workers and about 70,000 are Filipino.
The Association of Employment Agencies (Singapore) said the salary revision was not unexpected, on the back of several meetings and discussions between the Labour Office and employment agencies.

“It’s not just about increasing the salary," said the association’s president, K. Jayaprema. "It’s still pegged to US$400, but because there’s an increase in exchange rate, this is a natural progression.”

But Ms Jayaprema acknowledged there would be “some concerns” among employers.

“Singapore employers are kind of price-sensitive, whether it’s about employment agency fees or salary,” Ms Jayaprema said. “And it’s not just about the basic salary. There will be a little bit increase in the compensation rate for the rest day.”

At least one maid agency Channel NewsAsia spoke to was in favour of the revised salary, saying it could help attract more high-quality domestic workers amid competition for such maids in Hong Kong and the Middle East.

“To stay competitive, we need to increase the salary, otherwise we will not have enough supply,” said Raymond Maids Employment Agency manager Matthew Lee.

“Currently, maids in Hong Kong have a higher salary, about S$770 equivalent,” he added. “With this increase in salary, we are able to attract more volume and better calibre maids into Singapore.”

TOUGHER STANCE ON PLACEMENT FEES

Besides the pay increase, Mr Pastrana also spelled out the Labour Office’s plans to take a tougher stance on employment agencies who collect “placement fees” by deducting a portion of a maid’s salary.

Placement fees are service fees paid to the agency for its work in facilitating employment for the domestic worker. This includes paperwork and negotiations with prospective employers, among others.

Currently, under Philippine law, agencies are not allowed to charge any placement fees to domestic workers. But in Singapore, the Ministry of Manpower allows agencies to deduct up to a maximum two months' worth of a domestic worker’s salary for placement fees. Agencies may choose not to deduct any amount as well.

According to the notice, the Labour Office “received reports that employment agencies in Singapore continuously charge Filipino domestic workers placement fees through salary deductions of one to eight months”.

"Due to this alleged blatant disregard of Philippine laws and regulations and despite the many briefings conducted by POLO-SG to address the situation, POLO-SG hereby announces the following policies to take effect immediately,” it said.

These policies include “immediate suspension of documentary processing” for agencies who collect placement fees through salary deduction. All accredited agencies will also be required to submit updated name and contact details and salaries of domestic workers, as well as the name and contact details of their respective employers.
 

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Chinese state media opinion piece from early last month. Emphasis mine.

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Opinion: Underwater myth of Sri Lanka’s Hambantota Port deal
Shen Shiwei
2018-08-08 14:31 GMT+8

Editor’s note: Shen Shiwei is a research fellow at the Charhar Institute and former government relations and business consultant for Chinese enterprises in Africa and the Middle East. The article reflects the author's opinion, and not necessarily the views of CGTN.

A 1.12-billion-US-dollar agreement, a 99-year lease and "debt diplomacy" are some of the flashy words weaving different stories about the Hambantota Port project between China and Sri Lanka.

But what is really happening under the turbulent waters of the maritime port? And if it is commercially run by a joint venture, then who has the final say?

In short, the Hambantota Port is under the Sri Lankan sovereignty. And the much trumpeted security concerns over the commercially-run port by a Chinese company are invalid, as the Sri Lankan government recently moved its southern naval command to the facility.

"There is no need to be frightened as the security of the Hambantota Port will be under the control of Sri Lanka Navy," announced a statement by the Sri Lankan Prime Minister office issued in June. It clarified that Sri Lanka and its people own control over the port, and refute allegations that a "Chinese colony is being built" there.

But how to run the commercial port, share the benefits and provide security?

Chinese and Sri Lankan joint ventures will operate the port and share revenues. When it comes to security, Sri Lanka has full responsibility and control.

All these have been guaranteed by a five-party agreement reached by China Merchants Port Holdings (CMPort), Sri Lanka Ports Authority (SLPA), the Sri Lankan government, Hambantota International Port Group [Private] (HIPG) and Hambantota International Port Services Company [Private] (HIPS).
An item often overlooked in some media reports is that the China Merchants Port Holdings (CMPort) needs to invest up to 1.12 billion US dollars in Hambantota Port and relevant sea logistic business under the agreement.

Under this deal, the Chinese side holds a 70-percent stake in two joint ventures and the Sri Lankan side holds the rest 30 percent. After 10 years, the Sri Lankan side will gradually purchase an additional 20 percent stake, resulting in the two sides owning an equal share of 50 percent each.

Why does Hambantota Port matter?

Colombo, the commercial capital and largest city of Sri Lanka is too busy to deal with seaborne trade routes. Sri Lanka needed a new economic growth engine, and Hambantota Port, with its proximity to the world’s busiest shipping lanes, proved to be a good option.

Commercial activities at the deep-sea port are expected to trigger economic development for Sri Lanka.

Back in 2005, constructing a new port in Hambantota and connecting it to the capital Colombo via a planned industrial belt was prioritized in the "Mahinda Vision for the Future," which was proposed by former Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa. It aims to transform Sri Lanka into "a hub for sea transport, aviation, business, energy and knowledge."

How feasible and practical is it to build the Hambantota Port?

The Sri Lankan government has carried surveys and research regarding that matter in previous years.

During the time of former President Chandrika Kumaratunga, Danish engineering consultancy firm Ramboll did the first feasibility study, without finishing it. Another top engineering consultancy firm, SNC Lavalin from Canada, completed another study in June 2003.

In 2004, Ramboll was back in the picture and completed the study in 2007. This was under the second term of Chandrika Kumaratunga.

The conclusion of two feasibility studies under two different governments is clear and convincing: Build the Hambantota Port.


No assistance from India

For years, many observers have spoken of "India's worry" over the Chinese presence in the Hambantota Port. But separating facts from fiction is essential.

Sri Lanka had first looked to India for assistance to develop the Hambantota Port, but India declined.

A flourishing Hambantota Port, together with the booming Port of Colombo, will be strong competitors to India’s maritime facilities. Despite investing in Sri Lanka, India needs more FDI and loans to develop its own infrastructure.

But China's assistance with the project was subject to severe criticism from India and the West, even when Indian automobile exports to Sri Lanka were the first batch of goods when the port opened for business.

Is that fair?

Lower costs, promising benefits

To win the contract of constructing the Hambantota Port, many countries together with international contractors and financial institutions competed. China’s solution offered the best deal. The actual building cost was lower than the engineering estimates in the feasibility reports by both Ramboll and SNC Lavalin.

In December 2011, the first phase of the Hambantota Port was completed and entered service in 2012.

But some critics said: “Look! Only 34 vessels docked in 2012. With tens of thousands of ships passing by along the world’s busiest shipping lanes. The port failed.”

But 2014 proved to be a better year. A whopping 335 vessels docked at the port as the second phase was under construction. The port made an operating profit of 900 million rupees (5.66 million US dollars) in 2014 and 1,200 million rupees (7.55 million US dollars) in 2015.

As for the loan costs and repayment, “the total cost of financing the Hambantota Port (capital plus interest) will be 1,761 million US dollars by the time the loan expires in 2036. By the end of 2016, nearly 500 million US dollars of this total amount had already been repaid. There was never any problem about meeting the payments for the Hambantota Port because it was paid out of the profits of the Sri Lanka Ports Authority (SLPA)," according to Mahinda Rajapaksa, former Sri Lanka President.

In addition to the Hambantota Port, China will also set up an industrial zone in the facility. It is hoped that the industrial zone will be an engine to drive the economic development of Sri Lanka, and attract investors from all parts of the world.

Who is the major debt owner of Sri Lanka?

"Sri Lanka has borrowed from the US more than China. These loans are in the form of International Sovereign Bonds, Treasury Bonds, and Treasury bills which have had investors from the US and the West. So if at all Sri Lanka was going to get into trouble, it was not because of the Chinese debt alone, but because of all the debt,” said Ajith Nivard Cabraal, former Governor of Sri Lankan Central Bank in an interview in June this year.

Indeed, Sri Lanka’s debt problems mainly result from underdevelopment, historical and external reasons.

Sri Lanka issued seven sovereign bonds worth 5.5 billion US dollars between 2007 and 2014. One major portion of the external debt is in the private sector and banks. They are mainly commercial and non-preferential loans with higher interest rate.

Then who owns them and how much debt does Sri Lanka owe to China?

According to the 2017 Annual Report of the Central Bank of Sri Lanka, the country's total external debt was 51.824 billion US dollars, among which outstanding Chinese loans took up only about 10.6 percent or 5.5 billion US dollars. Besides, 61.5 percent of the Chinese loans (3.38 billion US dollars) are concessional ones, with a much lower interest rate than the international market.

According to Sri Lanka's Finance Ministry Annual Report 2017, market borrowings mainly of sovereign bonds accounted for 39 percent of the country's external debt. Loans owed to the Asian Development Bank (ADB) were 14 percent, Japan 12 percent, the World Bank 11 percent, China 10 percent and India three percent.

Clearly for sure, the biggest issue in Sri Lanka is borrowing from global finance capital or the seemingly innocent international capital markets, which charge much higher interest rates. The capital markets are mainly in the US and European countries.

"The opportunity lost by Ceylon (Sri Lanka) was gained by Singapore."

Singapore was not built in a day, so is Sri Lanka’s national development plan.

Situated along one of the busiest shipping lanes, Sri Lanka surely has abundant advantages to achieve an economic leap. But it needs to catch up.

Dubai in the UAE and Shenzhen in southern China became economic miracle through decades of continuing input, strong leadership and stable policy and innovation. So does the Hambantota Port and industrial park nearby. The giant facility will generate a larger foreign exchange flow into Sri Lanka through maritime services and positively impact the foreign reserves of the country. But they need encouragement, not bias.

Empty talks would lead the country to astray. Only hard work can rejuvenate the nation.
 

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Chinese loans to Pakistan accounts for only 10%: Foreign ministry’s spokesperson
August 31, 2018

BEIJING, Aug 31 (APP):The Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Friday criticizing the Western media for its so-called “China debt trap theory”, said that the proportion of the Chinese loan to some countries including Pakistan was generally not high.

“As per data from the Pakistani government, 42% of Pakistan’s long-term debt comes from loans from multilateral institutions, and Chinese loans account for only 10%,” Hua Chunying said during her regular press briefing here.

She said the preferential loan rate offered by China to Pakistan was about 2%, which was far lower than the loans provided by Western countries to Pakistan. “I think these numbers are very illustrative.”

The spokesperson said indeed, the proportion of Chinese loans to the foreign debt of the countries concerned was generally not high, adding, “I don’t know where the so-called “China debt trap theory” of some Western media hype comes from.”

She said according to the statistics of the Sri Lankan central bank, loans from China accounted for only about 10% of Sri Lanka’s external debt in 2017, of which 61.5% were concessional loans below the international market interest rate.

“Chinese loans do not constitute the main burden of Sri Lanka’s external debt,” she added.

Sri Lankan officials had long publicly stated that there was no such thing as a “debt trap” in the port of Hambantota, she said.

Hua Chunying said there were also some media that were concerned about the debt problems of African countries.

“As everyone knows, the African debt problem has a complex historical background and reality. In essence, it is not only an economic and financial issue but also a product of an unjust and irrational international economic order,” she added.

She pointed out from 2000 to 2016, China’s non-loan loans accounted for only 1.8% of Africa’s total external debt, and it was mainly concentrated in industries such as infrastructure.

“So far, no African country has complained because it is in debt crisis because of cooperation with China. On the contrary, many African leaders have positively evaluated China’s cooperation in Africa’s investment and financing, and look forward to expanding cooperation with China”, she added.

“Yesterday, when I answered the question about the “debt dilemma” of the South Pacific island country, it was said that the same funds, how the funds of the Western countries are sweet “pies”, and what China has provided become a dark “trap”? ! This is unreasonable,” she added.

Hua Chunying hoped that some countries, people and the media in the West could objectively and fairly view the cooperation between China and relevant countries.
 
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