China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

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    He's so preoccupied with his perceived incompetence of Chinese engine development and Chinese SOEs, any signs remotely suggesting engine related issues would be interpreted as some kind of catastrophic doomsday for Chinese engines. I agree there's no longer any point in engaging with that, maybe just agree with him Chinese engine is game over and China will forever rely on Russia or whatever, just so things can move on.
     
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    That seems to be an elongated version, so that's what they planned when more powerful engines are in place.
     
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    that model does seem to show the aircraft with engines that are not D-30s, and do resemble what WS-20 appears to look like based on the pics we've seen of it on the Il-76 testbed.

    I imagine exporting Y-20 would be very contingent on having a domestic engine aka WS-20 available as well, as exporting D-30s with Y-20 would not be very competitive and I imagine there's probably a cause made with Russia as well to not export Y-20s with them or Russia could just withold engines.


    So the fact that they're definitely planning to offer an export Y-20 likely with WS-20s is a sign that they're probably confident in the progress of the engine so far.
     
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    Why would a D-30 equiped Y-20 not be competitive? are they really that expensive? and why would russia not allow china to export planes equiped with their engines? those engines were bought from russia. Yes, i think that russia would prefer that countries buy IL-76, but its a 45 year old design and at this point i dont think that they have expectations that any nation will buy them. So IMO they have little to gain and a lot to lose (financially and politically) by not allowing china to export those engines or even witholding them
     
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    Compared to that, I am rather more curious how the WS-18 is doing. Mass order of D-30KP2 doesn't have much bearing on the status of the WS-20, but it DOES have some bearing on the WS-18, which is supposed to be the simple, no-frills D-30KP2 copy and have been undergoing testing for a few years now.
     
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    Indeed ... but maybe it simply means that even if the WS-20 is not ready NOW, the WS-18 is no longer related since the future is simply the WS-20.
    Maybe China was able to negotiate a good contract for these new engines - esp. since the older Il-76/-78 and the new H-6K can't use the WS-20 - so that the WS-18 was simply abandoned?

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    The rear landing gear bay doors appear shoddy: as if the panels were jury rigged.
     
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    I read "Y20-F10?", most likely F100. I wonder what does 100 mean. I never figured out in Y-8's case about -?00. In C919 case, the ?00 means ? number of seats, equal to capacity.
     
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    No, that's quite a common designation similar to the one used by the Y-8F-series ...

    Y-8F-100, -200, -400 and finally -600 which became the Y-9.
     
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    WS-18 is more of an insurance product, a fallback position in case China would not be able to get D-30KP2 for whatever reasons, which would be terrible given that H-6K and Y-20 all depend on D-30KP2. Now that there is no issue getting D-30KP2 in the time and quantity PLAAF needs, an if WS-20 is largely on schedule, I don't see WS-18 is needed anymore.
     
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