China's strategy in Korean peninsula

AndrewS

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I don't think SK will choose this path, but If SK choose to do so, it won't be limited to a BMD program. It will become a mini arm race directly against NK, but also alarms Japan to join in because Japan will not trust a militarily independent SK from US. Japan's move will then trigger China and Russia to step up. It is a chain reaction that SK will loose even more than not to do so.

But on the evil side of the thought, pulling more money from maintaining SK's tech advancement into spiraling military cost does serve China well. When there is no Samsung (or the likes) around, SK will be more cooperative or less of a concern to China.

Note that both SK and Israel are spending a similar amount of technology R&D (4.3% of GDP)

So SK doubling military spending to Israeli levels should be doable.

And an independent SK should lean towards China, and which would cause Japan to panic and militarise anyway. Russia wouldn't care at all
 

AndrewS

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hmm, sounds like we are in a "chicken vs. egg" situation. If SK was independent, SK would not let the crisis escalate to today's situation, but to do that, it need the capability and spending of something like THAAD which it did not have or more likely NOT willing to pay the cost.

To have that kind of capability and bear the cost, SK would have been acting like NK (military first). NK is poor because it is trying to maintain its independence from China and Russia (USSR), it is their price to pay. SK would have to pay the same price if it choose to do without any super-power (US or China). SK simply chose to be rich. It can not have both.

SK should be able to handle the cost of increased military spending along whilst maintaining R&D levels. I've pointed out the Israeli example.

So I don't think Chicken and Egg applies in this situation
 

delft

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I would disagree that SK building its own missile defence is just treating the sympton rather than the cause.

If SK is more secure militarily through its own means, then it can be much more independent and not have to depend on the USA and follow whatever Bush Jr or Trump wants to do.

But I think what we see is the "shrimp among whales" mentality coming through. Eg. SK has much larger neighbours so struggles to be independent because there was always an alignment with a larger power.

It's bad in that SK struggles to define an independent mindset.
But good from the point of view that SK is more likely to follow China, if China is powerful enough.
At the time the US president was Commander-in-Chief of the SK armed forces. How could SK do anything to decrease US influence in its politics? Any effort to do so would lead to removal of the SK president. Matters are changing now because China is now vastly more powerful - economically as well as militarily - and that let already to the SK president becoming C-in-C of the SK armed forces but only until war breaks out which means that the SK forces are trained to fight under US command. It is now in the interest of people living in Continental US that no war will break out in Korea in a way that was no true when Libya was destroyed.
 

delft

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I don't think SK will choose this path, but If SK choose to do so, it won't be limited to a BMD program. It will become a mini arm race directly against NK, but also alarms Japan to join in because Japan will not trust a militarily independent SK from US. Japan's move will then trigger China and Russia to step up. It is a chain reaction that SK will loose even more than not to do so.
An arms race wouldn't contribute to the necessary political solution.
 

AndrewS

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At the time the US president was Commander-in-Chief of the SK armed forces. How could SK do anything to decrease US influence in its politics? Any effort to do so would lead to removal of the SK president. Matters are changing now because China is now vastly more powerful - economically as well as militarily - and that let already to the SK president becoming C-in-C of the SK armed forces but only until war breaks out which means that the SK forces are trained to fight under US command. It is now in the interest of people living in Continental US that no war will break out in Korea in a way that was no true when Libya was destroyed.

The presence of US troops in SK does do both things:

a) Ensures that there will be some US casualties in a war, so is a disincentive
b) But it also means that Kim is utterly paranoid about the US, and see nukes as the ultimate guarantee of his survival

A SK which replaces US military forces with its own, would be more independent in its policies.

For example, today, the South Korean President is having to publicly challenge and contradict Trump's recent statements. And remember it is Trump who is the C-in-C of South Korea's armed forces. Article below

South Korea to Prevent War at All Costs, President Moon Says
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AndrewS

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An arms race wouldn't contribute to the necessary political solution.

It's not an arms race.

North Korea is already maxed out in terms of military spending.
But it should be sustainable for South Korea to double military spending to Israeli levels, if required.
 

delft

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It's not an arms race.

North Korea is already maxed out in terms of military spending.
But it should be sustainable for South Korea to double military spending to Israeli levels, if required.
What would be the purpose? SK is already more heavily armed than the North and would not be allowed to conquer the North. The purpose must be the reunification by peaceful means but that has been unacceptable to US because it would entail the removal of US forces from Korea.
 

taxiya

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Note that both SK and Israel are spending a similar amount of technology R&D (4.3% of GDP)

So SK doubling military spending to Israeli levels should be doable.

And an independent SK should lean towards China, and which would cause Japan to panic and militarise anyway. Russia wouldn't care at all
SK can not be compared with Israel. Israel receives large sum of aid from US, SK does not. Israel is unique.

China does not want Japan to panic, at least not adding an excuse to militarize. Russia would surely care, but due to the not so good economy may not be able to do much.
 

AndrewS

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What would be the purpose? SK is already more heavily armed than the North and would not be allowed to conquer the North. The purpose must be the reunification by peaceful means but that has been unacceptable to US because it would entail the removal of US forces from Korea.

SK is more heavily armed than the North, but there are still gaps in the capabilities of the SK military.

Yes, peaceful reunification is the goal.

And remember that if SK really wants to, it can terminate the SK-US alliance and remove US troops from its soil and also remove Trump as the commander in chief of the SK military.
 

AndrewS

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SK can not be compared with Israel. Israel receives large sum of aid from US, SK does not. Israel is unique.

China does not want Japan to panic, at least not adding an excuse to militarize. Russia would surely care, but due to the not so good economy may not be able to do much.

It looks like US military aid to Israel accounts for about a quarter of their defence budget, so there is still room for SK to fund the gaps in their military capabilities.

A militarily strong SK is not really an issue for Japan. Japan really worries about China foremost.

The vast majority of Russia's population, economy and industry is located in European Russia rather than in Asia. Furthermore, Russia and North Korea only share a small land border, so why they care too much?

In comparison it is China which has 100million people in Dongbei next to the Korean border.
 
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