China's strategy in Korean peninsula

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Captain
Agreed completely, but whatever engagement options exist, North Korea will not fully begin to open up until they have the ICBMs ready to hit SF.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
But Beijing did intervene in 1950 so there is precedent with NK. Helping NK survive is more or less an intervention that encompasses NK politics.

Perhaps offer a formal defensive alliance with NK so NK does not need its own nukes the way the US does with Japan, SK, and Philippines. These alliances definitely affect how the respective country handles itself on foreign policy.

Or a real long shot, a defensive treaty with SK.

Why necessarily reunited? A fractured Korea actually serves the interest of placating and balancing actors on the Korean peninsula.One can never guarantee a unified and China friendly Korea will always be China friendly. Besides, Korean history had large periods of a fractured Korea such as Silla, Baekje, and Goguryeo.

I generally agree with the rest except a comment on the highlighted texts.

The 1950 intervention was between two states NK vs. SK, it was NOT intervention within one state (NK in this case). The principle that China lives with is referring to the second case above.

That was why China did not replace Kim Jong-Un's grandfather back in the 1950s when he was hiding in the cave near Chinese-NK boarder and have no troops of his own, even though he refused to listen to the Chinese advise of not to "invade" SK for NK was not capable nor was China willing to assist. So I don't think China broke her principle back then, nor do I see China going to break it now.

Background infor: You know that there was a group of north Korean cadres and officers (the Yan'an group) and four full NK divisions made up of fully war-hardened PLA veterans (Chinese ethic Koreans served in the 4th field army of PLA transferred to Kim). China had a much bigger chance back then if she choose to regime change or intervene within NK leadership than today (almost zero). China choose not to.
 

delft

Brigadier
But Beijing did intervene in 1950 so there is precedent with NK. Helping NK survive is more or less an intervention that encompasses NK politics.
It was asked to help defend the country by its authorities as is allowed by the Charter of the United Nations. South Korea was not seen as a legitimate country but as a satellite of US.
 

solarz

Brigadier
The option for coercion is quite simple, give up nukes or China, the US, and SK will destroy you.

That is an empty bluff. The whole point of having nukes is so that other countries cannot coerce you through threat of war. That was why China developed nukes in the 60's.

Worse yet, the fate of Saddam Hussein has shown quite clearly how foolish it would be to give in to such threats and surrender the one thing that would have protected him.
 

delft

Brigadier
Why necessarily reunited? A fractured Korea actually serves the interest of placating and balancing actors on the Korean peninsula.One can never guarantee a unified and China friendly Korea will always be China friendly. Besides, Korean history had large periods of a fractured Korea such as Silla, Baekje, and Goguryeo.
US likes to fracture countries - Korea, Vietnam, Cyprus, Sudan, Yugoslavia and after that Serbia come to mind - but that generally causes a lot of misery for the population and in Vietnam it only lasted twenty years.
There is no reason for Korea to remain divided but the wish of US to maintain forces near China and the interest of a small minority of the people that profit from the US presence. South Korea is now after about three decades politically rather shaky and not a natural political unit.
 

delft

Brigadier
The option for coercion is quite simple, give up nukes or China, the US, and SK will destroy you.
It would be a crass violation of the Charter of the United Nations, just as the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. A political solution - removal of US forces from South Korea, end to South Korea's status as satellite of US and negotiations for reunification - are a much less destructive solution.
 

dingyibvs

Junior Member
That is an empty bluff. The whole point of having nukes is so that other countries cannot coerce you through threat of war. That was why China developed nukes in the 60's.

Worse yet, the fate of Saddam Hussein has shown quite clearly how foolish it would be to give in to such threats and surrender the one thing that would have protected him.

NK does not have sufficient supply of nukes nor the method to deliver them. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent them from achieving those things. Time is running out, the time to act is now, hence the urgency you're seeing from both the American and the Chinese side.
 
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