China's strategy in Korean peninsula

I'm a little bit late (dated March 29, 2018) with the story
What Does ‘Denuclearization’ Mean to Kim Jong Un?
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A close reading of what the Korean leader reportedly told Xi Jinping in Beijing.

One of the oddest things about the current flurry of diplomacy with North Korea is that it has played out like a game of telephone: South Korean officials dined with Kim Jong Un in Pyongyang and then flew to Washington, D.C., bearing a message that Kim was willing to discuss “denuclearization,” which inspired Donald Trump to agree to an unprecedented summit this spring with the North Korean leader, which motivated the North Korean leader to hop on a train to Beijing this week, which prompted Chinese President Xi Jinping to update Trump on how the visit went, which led the American president to
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that he’d heard the meeting “went very well and that KIM looks forward to his meeting with me.”

Through it all, North Korea itself has remained conspicuously silent, at least in public. Hopes for a resolution to the North Korean nuclear crisis have thus largely been pinned on a stream of whispers. As of this writing, the North’s state-run
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features news of Kim’s trip to China and dialogue with South Korea, of the issuing of tea-themed postage stamps, and the invention of a fancy new “automatic meteorological observation device,” but no mention of any North Korean commitments to denuclearization.

Kim’s promises this week were conveyed second-hand through
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from China’s state-run news agency Xinhua, which includes two direct quotes from Kim Jong Un. In the first, he stated that his position on his nation’s nuclear-weapons program is in line with that of his father and grandfather: “It is our consistent stand to be committed to denuclearization on the peninsula, in accordance with the will of late President Kim Il Sung and late General Secretary Kim Jong Il.” In the second, he declared that the “issue of denuclearization of the Korean peninsula can be resolved, if South Korea and the United States respond to our efforts with goodwill, create an atmosphere of peace and stability while taking progressive and synchronous measures for the realization of peace.”

For a guided reading of Kim’s rare public remarks, I turned to Sue Mi Terry, a former Korea analyst at the CIA who is now a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. She said it’s significant that Kim spoke not of removing nuclear weapons from North Korea, but rather of the “denuclearization of the Korean peninsula,” as a whole. That formulation by the Kim government is “not new,” Terry told me, and has been accompanied in the past with demands for measures to preserve the regime’s security such as the signing of a peace treaty to finally end the Korean War, the withdrawal of U.S. troops from South Korea, and the end of the U.S.-South Korean military alliance, which in turn would terminate the protection the United States extends to South Korea through its nuclear weapons. Hence, talk of a nuclear-free peninsula despite the fact that South Korea doesn’t have nuclear weapons. (In this respect, Kim was right to assert that he was simply echoing the policies of his father, who was also
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by Chinese media as committing to the denuclearization of the peninsula even as he
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in developing the nation’s nuclear-weapons arsenal.)

While it’s notable that Kim didn’t specifically reference security guarantees during his trip to Beijing, Terry said she’d need to see more statements from North Korea, and not just a one-off quote filtered through the censored Chinese press, to conclude that the North is now willing to trade away its nuclear program for anything less than the United States abandoning South Korea.

Terry interpreted Kim’s call for South Korea and the United States to exhibit “goodwill,” establish an “atmosphere of peace,” and take “synchronous measures” as a suggestion that he would only move towards denuclearization in response to concessions from both South Korea and the United States—specifically, relief from the severe international sanctions that the Trump administration has imposed on North Korea.

“There’s a lot there” and none of it is particularly “revelatory,” Terry said. It’s not “North Korea is willing to give up its nuclear-weapons program.” Instead, it’s hedged language that the North can always retreat from. North Korea has shifted tactics in pausing its nuclear and missile testing and agreeing to direct nuclear talks with the United States, perhaps because U.S. economic pressure and threats of military force “spooked” Kim and made him scramble to “buy time,” Terry explained. But there aren’t strong signs yet of a strategic shift.

Trump also hasn’t clarified what he has in mind when he speaks, as
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on Wednesday, of “peace and the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.” So far, he has focused on denying North Korea the capability of placing nuclear warheads on long-range missiles that can reach the United States. But his advisers, including Mike Pompeo, the man slated to become his
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, have staked out an even harder line, insisting that North Korea do what only
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has done before: give up nuclear weapons it developed in a manner that is “complete, verifiable, and irreversible.”

Just days before being named Trump’s new national-security adviser, John Bolton
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that if Kim Jong Un isn’t willing to relinquish his entire nuclear program and ship it off to the United States, the way Libya did with its far less advanced program
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, Trump should immediately end the negotiations and seriously consider using military force to eliminate North Korea’s nuclear weapons before they can threaten the world. He argued that the United States should not provide economic assistance, which North Korea has pocketed for decades without ceasing its nuclear activities, and certainly not sign a peace treaty with Kim. (Trump has at times
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to withdraw U.S. military support to South Korea.) The North Koreans are “lucky to have a meeting with the president of the United States,” he said. “Are we content with a resolution of this crisis that leaves North Korea with the technology to have nuclear weapons?” Bolton asked Larry Kudlow, Trump’s incoming director of the National Economic Council, during a
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in August. “I wouldn’t trust the North Koreans with a spare electron.”

There would, of course, be nothing to negotiate if negotiations began with the parties in perfect agreement about what they wanted out of the talks. But what Kim Jong Un’s comments in China this week indicated is just how far apart North Korea and the United States are on the definition of one hugely consequential word: “denuclearization.”
 

Ultra

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Wasn't talking about the pen but the balls that's in them. They are the same balls that keeps engines rotating without jittering and various mechanism that maintains stability in all rotating objects.
I hear PRC still requires importing them from Japan especially the high precision ones that requires to be as close to a perfect sphere as possible. The machine will work without them but will require more maintenance in shorter intervals with lot less accuracy.

Influence now a days is bought and without that slash fund in off shore banks it becomes very difficult to do without exposing yourself in the process.

As for peace time economic warfare, tariffs has become very difficult to initiate without WTO intervening making it a bad choice of tactic.
Don't kid yourself China's market although looks appetizing still not enough to kill off the domestic market.
Basically it's the same as an economic bubble, once people starts realizing it's not worth the trouble they will move their assets to somewhere else. Japan has already moved on and many other are starting to do the same.



Well, now it came true. China don't need to buy from Japan anymore. I am curious as just how long before we see Japan's pen and ball bearing manufacturers crash and burn.

And obviously you don't know very much do you? You don't understand basic economics one bit.

Not only Japan now lose a huge market in China, China WILL NOW DIRECTLY COMPETES with Japan on world market, it won't be long before all of them get priced out of the market as usual. ;)


Finally, China manufactures a ballpoint pen all by itself
By Adam Taylor

Updated 19 January 2017 — 11:56am first published at 6:25am

Chinese President Xi Jinping made headlines this week with a speech at the World Economic Forum at Davos that passionately
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. But closer to home, a less dramatic story may paint a more complicated and nuanced picture of China's role in the global economy.

This story involves something as simple as the ballpoint pen - yes, that humble device you may well have lying around your desk or collecting dust at the bottom of your bag - and China's long and frustrating quest to manufacture it domestically.


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China's first ballpoint pen
It produces about 38 billion ballpoint pens a year, but China has never, until now, been able to produce its complicated tip.

This month, that quest has finally been fulfilled, and Chinese state media is all over it. Here's just one example of the coverage, from the English-language Twitter account of news agency Xinhua.

"China has developed its own ballpoint pen tips, ending a long-term reliance on imported ones."

To anyone outside of the ballpoint pen manufacturing world, it might seem hard to understand what, exactly, is so surprising about this development? China already produces 38 billion ballpoint pens a year, according to China Daily, which is around 80 per cent of all ballpoint pens in the world. That's a lot of pens, but there was a catch: China had long been unable to produce a high quality version of the most important part of the pen, its tip.

The tip of a ballpoint pen is what makes it a ballpoint pen. At the tip, a freely rotating ball is held in a small socket which connects it to an ink reservoir that allows the pen to write or draw lines. Manufacturing a ballpoint pen tip that can write comfortably for a long period of time requires high-precision machinery and precisely thin steel, but for years China was unable to match those crafted by foreign companies.

While there were over 3000 companies manufacturing pens in China, none had their own high-end technology for the tip. Instead, roughly 90 per cent of the pen tips and refills, too, were imported from Japan, Germany and Switzerland, according to Chinese state media. This cost the industry $US17.3 million a year, according to the China National Light Industry Council.

China's inability to produce a complete, high-quality ballpoint pen came to widespread attention in 2015, when Prime Minister Li Keqiang singled out the products at a seminar in Beijing, noting that his writing was "rough" when he used Chinese-made ballpoint pens. For Li, China's failure to manufacture a complete ballpoint pen was indicative of the Chinese economy's weaknesses. "That's the real situation facing us," Li said at the time. "We cannot make ballpoint pens with a smooth writing function."

The Chinese premier's comments caused consternation in China's pen industry - which was, understandably, not used to being the topic of mainstream political conversation. These pen companies were once happy to manufacture shoddy pens which were sometimes exported abroad as cheap knockoffs of better brands. Now, they were being told they were expected to do something more.

"In the past, the government praised the big companies that export the most and have the biggest profits," Huang Xinghua, president of the Platinum Pen company in Shanghai told NPR's Marketplace soon after. "They seldom praise companies that truly make good quality pens."

Li's comments apparently sparked action, however, and this week, after a reported five years of research and development, the state-owned company Taiyuan Iron and Steel Group (TISCO) announced that it would begin mass-producing ballpoint pen tips and replace imports within two years.

The completely Chinese ballpoint pen is no doubt a symbol of Chinese innovation. It's far from alone. Over recent years, China has caught up to other industrialised nations when it comes to technological advances - take a look at its booming tech industry for evidence.

But at the same time, the saga of the ballpoint pen shows that China's ideas about free trade and innovation are far from simple.

Consider this: The ballpoint pen innovation only took place after concerted government intervention. This is, in part, because in a country with lax intellectual property laws, spending money on research and development with little tangible benefit isn't economical. Worse still, China's powerful but notoriously overproductive steel industry, rather than the pen industry itself, controls this technology.

Many observers couldn't miss the potential problems. "Long term, TISCO's standard will probably result in a de facto domestic monopoly on pen tips, thereby replacing the foreign monopoly that China was originally trying to break up," Adam Minter noted over at Bloomberg View this week.

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PiSigma

"the engineer"
You misspelt "stupid."



You didn't start a debate, lmao. You threw out an assertion that came from your ass.

That's not a debate, that's called crap-slinging, which is fitting conduct for you, I suppose. However, I must congratulate you on being the first chimpanzee capable of operating a computer.
Now now... Don't insult chimpanzees. Plenty of chimp can learn to operate a computer. This flying dumb dumb below in the lower life forms category.
 

Ultra

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Chinese ambassador and NK minister commemorate PVA martyrs at Friendship monument in Pyongyang on 清明 April 5th. I hope this will be held regularly from now on. Blood spilled should not be washed and forgot.
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You can only hope. NK only comes to pay a visit when they needed something from China.
They seem to be fairly oblivious about China from what I can read. Kim Jong-un is even anti-chinese (purge/killed his uncle who is pro-china and incidents of border guards who shot chinese) until he got threaten by Trump. Nothing put you in perspective front and centre when you are threaten by total nuclear annhilation.

I think North Korea in general and Kim Jong-un is friendly to China only by neccessity. There is no real friendship whatsoever.
 

PikeCowboy

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Many observers couldn't miss the potential problems. "Long term, TISCO's standard will probably result in a de facto domestic monopoly on pen tips, thereby replacing the foreign monopoly that China was originally trying to break up," Adam Minter noted over at Bloomberg View this week.

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I've read reports to this effect too many times, just how many f'n ballpoints does australia export out of its millions of tonnes of iron ores. - you know, to warrant an australian reporter to stand up and say that with a straight face.

How exactly, also, is replacing a foreign monopoly with a domestic manufacturer a problem for china? That proposition really begs for some elaboration but its spoken as a fact with the same simplicity and natural right by which a piece of turd falls out of someone's ass.
 

taxiya

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You can only hope. NK only comes to pay a visit when they needed something from China.
They seem to be fairly oblivious about China from what I can read. Kim Jong-un is even anti-chinese (purge/killed his uncle who is pro-china and incidents of border guards who shot chinese) until he got threaten by Trump. Nothing put you in perspective front and centre when you are threaten by total nuclear annhilation.

I think North Korea in general and Kim Jong-un is friendly to China only by neccessity. There is no real friendship whatsoever.
Well, if that is your way of seeing relations between countries, then I am not aware of any relationship any better than that. I mean it is all the same.

Just give you some perspectives,
1. Are you aware of the fierce anti-American demonstrations of SK students during the 1970s and the 1980s before the democratization? Those went pretty violent. You know the Americans did save SK from the blink of annihilation by the NK in 1950s, but still just less than 20 years later the young South Koreans whose parents all experienced the war turned their back against their saviors.
2. You may be very aware of the split of Soviet and China in the 1960s after the "brotherly relationship", now the two are friends again.

Nobody is a friend as true brothers by blood, that is a fact. But everyone need a friend and try to develop that friendship closer. The effort is the most important thing. Being cynical to that effort is unnecessary, disconnected to reality and harmful to oneself.

P.S. even brothers by blood may hurt each other dearly. I have seen that played to one of my friends.
 

Phead128

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A pro-US unified Korea is far more threatening to China's fundamental security interests than anything NK has done or will do.

There is no permanent friends, only permanent interests. (True for everyone including US allies)

Even after Tang dynasty and Silla allied together to defeat Goguryeo and Baekje, the Tang and Silla went to war and Tang tried to annex Silla itself.

The second time China intervenes to save NK's butt again, a vast swath of northeast China will have access to Tumen river basin and by extension the Sea of Japan as geographical compensation.

No permanent allies, just permanent interests.

China will never allow a pro-US unified Korea, and never give up NK to US-SK alliance.
 
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