China's Space Program News Thread

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supercat

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It seems that Bill Gertz has become a regular contributor for Asia Times.

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China’s Shenlong space plane is part of growing space warfare program: Gertz


China’s military space program is getting a boost from a recent reorganization within the People’s Liberation Army.

A Chinese military expert disclosed earlier this month that a Chinese space plane known as the Shenlong will likely be deployed with the newly formed Strategic Support Force, the PLA’s new high-technology warfare unit.

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Illustration of China’s Shenlong ‘Divine Dragon’ space plane

China announced in late December the launching of a significant reorganization within the PLA that includes the renaming of its missile forces as the Rocket Forces, and creating the Strategic Support Force that is designed for high-technology warfare, including space, cyber and electronic warfare.

A Jan. 8 report in Hong Kong’s Tung Fang Jih Pao quotes official military commentator Song Zhongping as saying the Strategic Support Force will be made up of an Internet Army, an Aerospace Army and Electronic Warfare Troops.

Song went on to say that the new force would be equipped in the future with the Shenlong space plane that is capable of traveling in both space and air. The plane is said to be China’s version of the Pentagon’s experimental X-37B space plane.

The Shenlong – Divine Dragon – employs high speed with maneuverability and radar-evading stealth features. It will be capable of long-range flight.

Space weapons platform

According to Song, the unmanned Shenlong is being developed as space weapons launch platform, as well as for surveillance, intelligence and early-warning missions.

It was the first time an official Chinese military representative linked the Shenlong to China’s growing space warfare capabilities.

Adm. Cecil Haney, commander of the US Strategic Command, said last week that China is developing a range of space warfare arms.

“The ability of adversaries to conduct hostile operations in space presents a multifaceted space challenge, and potentially threatens national sovereignty and survival,” Haney said in a speech to the Center for New American Security.

“This is a particular concern to me as the combatant commander responsible for space, to include how critical our space capabilities are to my foundational nuclear deterrent mission, in addition to my other assigned missions,” the four-star admiral said.

Haney said China’s military is equipped with advanced directed energy weapons that can blind satellites, and in September launched a rocket carrying 20 micro-satellites — a record number for China – that could be use for space warfare.

China also conducted the sixth successful test of a new hypersonic strike vehicle capable of traveling up to 10 times the speed of sound.

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US X-37B Space Plane

The congressional US-China Economic and Security Review Commission warned in its most recent annual report that “China is pursuing a broad and robust array of counter-space capabilities, which includes direct-ascent anti-satellite missiles, co-orbital anti-satellite systems, computer network operations, ground-based satellite jammers and directed energy weapons.”

Military analysts said the disclosure that the PLA plans to use the Shenlong for its Strategic Support Force highlights the buildup of PLA space warfare capabilities.

The PLA also is working on rapid global strike weapons, including hypersonic glide vehicles to deliver nuclear or conventional weapons, anti-satellite missiles and other weapons, and missile defenses.

“This confirms my longstanding assessment that Shenlong was always a military program and that space warfare is a principle mission of the new Strategic Support Force,” Rick Fisher, a China military affairs analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said of Song’s comments on the Shenlong.

The Shenlong has been under development since 2007 and at least one test of the plane, launched beneath the wing of an H-6 bomber, took place five or six years ago.

“One reason China did not perform a full orbital test [of the Shenlong] may have been fear of losing their spacecraft if it landed in another country,” Fisher said.

Fisher believes it is very likely the PLA will launch an operational Shenlong for both civilian and military missions. The plane is a key test bed for China’s plans to develop larger space planes that could be built in the early 2020s.

Capturing enemy satellites

“Space planes are attractive militarily because they are reusable, can be configured to perform passive or active military missions, such as capturing and returning an enemy satellite,” he added.

David M. Finkelstein, a China analyst with Center for Naval Analysis, says China’s government has been vague about the new Strategic Support Force.

However, the force appears to be the center of key high-technology capabilities the PLA needs to wage modern warfare. They include cyber, space, electromagnetic, precision strike and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. The force may also include China’s growing special operations warfare forces, and its unmanned aerial and underwater vehicles and electronic counter measures forces.

“These capabilities and units reside at the heart of what the PLA refers to as ‘informationized local wars’ which the PLA’s new military strategy has identified as the type of modern warfare that the Chinese armed forces must be able to prosecute, and which, from an operational perspective, this entire reorganization is meant to facilitate,” Finkelstein wrote in a recent CNA report.

China’s military, widely criticized for its secrecy, has set off alarms in western and Asian governments with its development of space and other high-technology arms and concerns about the weapons likely will persist until Beijing is more open about its new weaponry.
 

SinoSoldier

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Is there a technical reason why the Chinese have yet to use solid-fueled rocket boosters on their launch vehicles?

There were rumors that they were having trouble developing solid rocket motors.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Is there a technical reason why the Chinese have yet to use solid-fueled rocket boosters on their launch vehicles?

There were rumors that they were having trouble developing solid rocket motors.
Unlikely, imo. The Long March 11 can be said to be one huge solid rocket motor. A much smaller one shouldn't pose any problem at all. If I'm not mistaken, all the current Russian rocket launchers too do not use solid fuel boosters.
 

plawolf

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Is there a technical reason why the Chinese have yet to use solid-fueled rocket boosters on their launch vehicles?

There were rumors that they were having trouble developing solid rocket motors.

Liquid fuel provide more thrust.

Solid fuel is preferred for quick reaction launches like missiles, which you don't want to spend hours to fuel before launching, but for civilian applications, the extra efficiency of liquid fuel more than outweighs the small delay refuelling causes.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Is ShenLong is China's Space Shuttle program or part of its space-based prompt global strike systems?
given the shape It could be a equivalent to the X37B or a demonstrator proof of concept for further development.
It doesn't look like the Space Shuttle and I fail to see how that project can be imitated or improved upon with advantage. It was set up to fail by people who wanted something spectacular but were unable to pay for it.
I don't by that.
First, I believe there is some confusion.
The World has had in operation one large Space shuttle The Enterprise Class Orbiter of NASA and a second that came close the Russian Buran class. Bother are unique cases. highly unlikely to be seen again They were Large platforms that required unique large booster assemblies much of which was discarded. What they offered vs what they delivered makes them hard to justify in the modern era and the trends show that they are dead stick. The Cargo capacity was fair but could have just as easily been launched by a conventional lifting rocket. the Orbiter was aimed for some degree of commercial use but really never proved viable for it. the expense of replacing the boosters caused more issues and logistical nightmares. It's likely that the large Shenlong concept when faced against these was aborted. The same reasons are why the US and Russia retired and aborted their large orbiters.
That said Shenlong may not be totally dead. We have seen the PLA drop a Testing model off the bottom of one of there bombers and that testing model looks like a small space plane.
And if you look at the Artical and the Image attached that is not the Image of a 37 meter long Shuttle. It's that of a much smaller model for whom the term Space shuttle is a misnomer. A smaller platform that might far more reasonable and practical in the modern space era.

The Image attached to the Atricle is taken from Popular Science December 2012 article Entitled "Inside China's Secret Arsenal; The Chinese government is rapidly building a bigger, more sophisticated military. Here's what they have, What they want, and What it means for the U.S." By Peter W. Singer Where it was Identified with the caption.
The Shenlong Space Plane

With a space station under construction and plans for a manned moon mission, China aims to alter the balance of power in orbit. In 2007, the nation showed off its antisatellite missiles by shooting down a decommissioned weather satellite, creating 40,000 shards of space junk in the process. Now it's testing an unmanned orbital vehicle known as Shenlong, or Divine Dragon. Comparable to the U.S. Air Force's X-37B space plane, the Shenlong could rapidly place satellites in orbit—and potentially carry weapons that could disable the communications, navigation, and surveillance satellites of adversaries.
A full sized 140 tonne 32 meter long Shuttle orbiter is not going to compare to a X37B nor is it going to rely on a single Engine bell.
The image was based off the
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. And is close in size to the X37B The jist of the Article seems to think that the PRC has used that model to develop a craft in a very close size scale to the drop test article. perhaps 1.5 to 2x the scale.
For the class, I think we are really looking the more accurate term I believe is to call it a Orbital Space plane.
Now if you are comparing it to other Orbital space planes it falls into a niche with comparable craft which could indicate the PRC's end game.
On the smaller side you have the X37B Which is suspected to everything from intelligence gathering to orbital weapons. and confirmed to be used on avionics testing in the outer atmosphere and Ion drive development.
on the larger size if you can scale it up you class it like the X37C concept and it's about in the same arena as the Dreamchaser or HOPE-X in which case you get a cargo vehicle with potential for manned flight of a crew from 2-8 Taikonauts.
Given the known interest of the PRC in building a ISS class manned space station and the configuration of the Shenzhou space capsule. A 6-8 manned orbiter would make a lot of sense Infact compared to the Shenzhou It would offer a lot of advantages.
The current Shenzhou barrows it's configuration from the Russian Soyuz, Where in it is a three module assembly the Orbital module, The Reentry Module and the service module. Only the Reentry module returns to earth the other two are discarded. Even if you somehow modified the Orbital modules to build a space station you would still toss away half your space craft.

A mini shuttle by contrast changes the dynamics as now you have a capsule that stays together. furthermore it's smaller size means that you can in theory mate it to a more conventional launch platform. The X37 is launched in the same Atlas V as other USAF payloads and has been looked at for Dreamchaser, CST 100, Cygnas and more The X37C concept was Aimed to launch off a slightly modified Atlas, For the PRC and a manned Orbital space plane their current LM2 series should fit.
farther the PRC prefers the land recovery option, a space plane lands on a runway Any PLA bomber base would do.
 
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