China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Gatekeeper]

sorry, one key word was missing in this sentence.
where China was ( not ) even represented. China opted not to participate in this farce by the so called court of arbitration.

Yes, thanks. My quick typing on small keyboard on phone meant I missed that one important word. I didn't noticed until I saw the reply, but by then it was too late to amend text!

I was hoping no one notice, as they say the brain auto-correct missing text like this. So I guess that's not sure for everyone!

Thanks

 

[Gatekeeper]

I’m sorry, but that is plain wrong. China grandfathered in its SCS claims upon ratification of UNCLOS, and opted out of arbitration as per UNCLOS’ own rules, which puts China’s SCS claims firmly outside the bounds of UNCLOS and the jurisdiction of the court of arbitration.

That is a matter of fact, and is not up for interpretation or discussion. By even hearing the case, never mind making any sort of judgment, the court of arbitration proved itself as a political tool and a kangaroo court.

It’s no coincidence that the ICJ issued a public declaration firmly distancing itself from the court of arbitration with almost indecent haste as soon as the western MSM tried to conflate the two to lend the court of arbitration status and legitimacy it plainly lacked.

The silence from the legal community regarding the ruling is absolutely deafening. It is telling that the entire western MSM could not find even one legal expert of repute or note to come forward and defend the court of arbitration decision because it is utterly indefensible from a purely legal prospective.

Yes, exactly, which is why I deliberately didn't concentrate on the rights and wrongs. But on the point of law itself.

Now, I considered members here are all educated people with high degree of comprehension and analytical skills.

We can read and learned better than your average Joe! So when the MSM tries to confused their populace by trying to muddle the ICJ and court of arbitration to give the "judgement in favour of Philippines" more weight. I can understand the average Joe would fall for that.

Now this is the sad part, when someone from this forum who live right at the door step of the SCS area openly suggest the "judgement" was part of the ICJ judgement, then this illustrate how effective the MSM have been, and that even well-educated people falls pray to the MSM agenda! What chance for the average Joe?

 

[Strategic Analyst]

These strategic bases in the South China Sea will be vital for China to bring peace and security to Southeast Asia and the Western Pacific.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

We haven't news about SCS for a while now

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1244234832584028162

According to one of my sources, this is a Y-8X maritime patrol aircraft. It has been deployed to Fiery Cross Reef for several weeks and has taken off from this base for several patrol missions, implying permanent forward basing.


@ImageSatIntl
· Mar 29
South #China Sea: Routine operation of transport #aircraft in the #SouthChinaSea could indicate that the #Chinese #military is hardly affected by the #COVID19 crisis. #IMINT #VISINT #DEFENSE #intelligence #ISI #AI #Airforce

 

[advill]

Can anyone enlightened us whether China is expanding their South China Sea territorial waters into Indonesia’s EEC Natuna? It was reported that the Chinese fishing fleet escorted by China’s Coast Vessels have recently intruded into these waters. If true, explain otherwise it is exerting the Chinese power & plain bullying..... Not good for relations with countries bordering the South China Sea.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

No China does not intrude into Indonesian territorial water and has no claim on it. But China insist on sharing fishing right in Indonesian EEZ (Exclusive economic zone) due to overlapping claim and historical reason.
Natuna first settled by Chinese fisherman long time ago with no Malay population. Back in 1950 they even send delegation to Beijing asking China to incorporate Natuna into Chinese territory But China beset by problem of GLF and does not want to antagonize US refused.
Now the government are moving the original Chinese settler out of Natuna and replaced it with native Indonesian

To counter China’s presence, Indonesia began building a military base in the Natunas four years ago. Today, the facility is moldering, empty of all but a few soldiers.
Jakarta’s latest tactic is to relocate hundreds of fishers from the populous Indonesian island of Java to the Natunas to act as maritime sentries.

But fishers in the Natunas oppose the idea, since the Javanese are subsidized by the state and do the same destructive bottom trawling as the Chinese
.
Here is the dispute.

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[hydrogenpi]

The idea, says Mark Cancian, a retired Marine colonel, would be to deploy Marine units around islands in the South China Sea, each with the capability of contesting the surrounding air and naval space using anti-air and anti-ship missiles.

"Collectively, these forces would hem in Chinese forces, prevent them from moving outward, and ultimately, as part of a joint campaign, squeeze them back to the Chinese homeland," writes Cancian in

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for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"We are now at an inflection point. We have to pivot now toward modernization while sustaining the readiness that this committee has resourced," Berger told the House Armed Services Committee in February. "This pivot, in my opinion, cannot wait until next year or the following. We must move now or risk overmatch in the future by an adversary. And that is a risk we will not take."

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[PiSigma]

The idea, says Mark Cancian, a retired Marine colonel, would be to deploy Marine units around islands in the South China Sea, each with the capability of contesting the surrounding air and naval space using anti-air and anti-ship missiles.

"Collectively, these forces would hem in Chinese forces, prevent them from moving outward, and ultimately, as part of a joint campaign, squeeze them back to the Chinese homeland," writes Cancian in

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for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"We are now at an inflection point. We have to pivot now toward modernization while sustaining the readiness that this committee has resourced," Berger told the House Armed Services Committee in February. "This pivot, in my opinion, cannot wait until next year or the following. We must move now or risk overmatch in the future by an adversary. And that is a risk we will not take."

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And which islands will those Marines go to?? US want to start building a couple as well? Those officers are getting dumber by the day.

 

[advill]

Let me first thank Hendrik 2000 for the background waters of Indonesian Natuna Islands. Coming back to the South China Sea, I believe that the problems must be solved by ASEAN in particular Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia. The Code of Conduct if done expeditiously could solve the various issues. Also an understanding & serious discussions mainly between China and the US on the FON and other related matters should be forthcoming instead of “Sabre-rattling”.The worst scenario would be hostilities in our region that could be extended to the Pacific and West Coast USA. My take is to wait till Nov 2020 US Presidential Election. Hopefully, a new and insightful President would win, with his pragmatic and more diplomatic Administration Team.

 

[antiterror13]

Let me first thank Hendrik 2000 for the background waters of Indonesian Natuna Islands. Coming back to the South China Sea, I believe that the problems must be solved by ASEAN in particular Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia. The Code of Conduct if done expeditiously could solve the various issues. Also an understanding & serious discussions mainly between China and the US on the FON and other related matters should be forthcoming instead of “Sabre-rattling”.The worst scenario would be hostilities in our region that could be extended to the Pacific and West Coast USA. My take is to wait till Nov 2020 US Presidential Election. Hopefully, a new and insightful President would win, with his pragmatic and more diplomatic Administration Team.

it seems almost certain that Trump would win again for his 2nd term ... actually not good for the US geopolitic