China's SCS Strategy Thread

sanblvd

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Andrew thinks repeating facts will convince people. My point is that it doesn't work

Actually it does, but the KEY is whatever its being allowed to be repeated or not? Anything, truth or false being repeated enough times will became the official truth, however in this case, whatever favorable to China is and will not be repeated in the controlled free media, because it does not fit the free media's official narrative, so in the end, Andrew is right, but its a moot point because it will not happen, so in the end, you are correct by stating that ultimately it will doesn't work.
 

vincent

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Actually it does, but the KEY is whatever its being allowed to be repeated or not? Anything, truth or false being repeated enough times will became the official truth, however in this case, whatever favorable to China is and will not be repeated in the controlled free media, because it does not fit the free media's official narrative, so in the end, Andrew is right, but its a moot point because it will not happen, so in the end, you are correct by stating that ultimately it will doesn't work.

You have no idea what anti-vaxxers are, do you?
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sanblvd

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Now this is interesting Trump want to built wall and prevent Mexican from working in US. China on the other hand facilitate Vietnamese worker to work in China


In defense of US, China and Vietnam have far more in common than US and Mexicans...

There is also the demographic and race issue, I bet 2nd gen and 3rd gen Vietnam marrying with Chinese living in China will probably identify themselves as Chinese and they looks like Chinese too.

But Mexicans are not integrating into US like the Europeans in the past, 2nd gen and 3rd gen Latino still faces discrimination, the demographic is moving in their favor as their population increase while White American drops.

So China opening up to Vietnam will make Vietnam more and more like China, but if US open up the flood gates then US population will look more and more like Mexico.
 

jobjed

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So China opening up to Vietnam will make Vietnam more and more like China, but if US open up the flood gates then US population will look more and more like Mexico.

Nothing wrong with that. The US demographic should mix if they want their country to last.

The Han ethnic group is itself a combination of dozens, if not hundreds, of different tribes that used to exist throughout China. As long as the mixing process is thorough and leaves little room for visual distinguishing, then the integration should eventually result in a homogeneous population conducive to longevity. The races in the US today are too easily distinguishable leading to regular clashes between "them"s and "us"s. To build a stable and long-term society -- by long-term, I mean a civilisation that lasts millennia -- the US demographic needs to be thoroughly mixed and blended like the Chinese population was.

If they manage to pull off this centuries-long effort, then the US will become a true titan that can compete with China for centuries, if not millennia. Fortunately for China, it seems the baser instincts of the US population are being allowed to run their course and racial tensions are heating up, leading to increasing division and self-segregation, when they really should be doing the exact opposite. The Chinese leadership should see the opportunity that exists; there is every potential for the different races of the US to tear the country apart. All that needs doing is to fund the groups that encourage and perpetuate this sort of behaviour, and to ridicule or eliminate the parties that encourage peaceful integration.

As for Vietnam, the Chinese strategy should either be to completely eliminate or completely absorb. There can be no middle ground because that would sow seeds for dissent and division centuries down the line. In fact, the absorption of the Vietnamese race is already mostly complete with the Han of Guangdong and Guangxi hailing from the same ancestors as that of the Kinh people. The Kinh that exist in Vietnam today are just the ones that managed to evade the integration process while others, like my grandfather, got integrated into the Han identity. Hopefully, in a few hundred years, there will be no independent Kinh ethnic group and they'd have all been integrated successfully into the Han, or eliminated so their antics can no longer bother China.
 

Hendrik_2000

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In defense of US, China and Vietnam have far more in common than US and Mexicans...

There is also the demographic and race issue, I bet 2nd gen and 3rd gen Vietnam marrying with Chinese living in China will probably identify themselves as Chinese and they looks like Chinese too.

But Mexicans are not integrating into US like the Europeans in the past, 2nd gen and 3rd gen Latino still faces discrimination, the demographic is moving in their favor as their population increase while White American drops.

So China opening up to Vietnam will make Vietnam more and more like China, but if US open up the flood gates then US population will look more and more like Mexico.

In a way you are right it is more about the insecurity of white American fear of getting swamped by brown color Mexican
But look it from the perspective of the Mexican with wage disparity of maybe 10 to 1 Wall is not going to deter Mexican from looking better life for themselves. so the "Wall policy" will be a failure .

It is better to regulate the guest worker flow and allow them to earn a decent living while at the same time discourage them from taking root in America like China did. US immigration policy need deep reform.

The difference is China has benevolent policy toward the neighbor and willing to share the prosperity Why you said ?
Just as jobjed alluded in his post, the people in border region does not consider their neighbor as foreign since they probably come from the same stock.

You can see from this video about school kid from Burma trek to China everyday so they can get good schooling and free meal at no cost to them

Here is China effort to spread the wealth between Vietnam and China border

China simplify, streamline the border transfer of good to make easier for trade
 
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"... two Chinese frigates maintained a constant line-of-sight vigil.":
U.S. carrier navigates crowded waters as North Korea tensions mount
September 30, 2017
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As the commanders of the largest U.S. warship in Asia seek to maintain operational readiness amid protracted tensions over North Korea, they find themselves keeping one eye on China, too.

On Saturday, as F-18 Super Hornet jet fighters roared from the decks of the USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier during routine drills deep in the South China Sea, two Chinese frigates maintained a constant line-of-sight vigil.

Officers on the Japanese-based Reagan described frequent close quarter surveillance from the ships of the People’s Liberation Army Navy in international waters.

Sometimes, they said, Chinese vessels steam in to check out the carrier en route to other destinations. Other times, Chinese frigates linger for days within the screen of U.S. ships and planes that protect the Reagan - Washington’s only carrier based outside America.

At times, the carrier crew, to ensure safe passage, will alert their uninvited Chinese escorts, should the Reagan sharply alter course, officers said.

“We’ve had no issues. They’ve been very professional,” said Rear Admiral Marc Dalton, commander of the Reagan’s strike group, as well as the larger battle forces of the U.S. Seventh Fleet. “We see them on a regular basis,” he said.

DEPLOYMENT STRAINS
As Dalton spoke, the midnight blue waters beyond the flight decks made for a crowded scene, with a U.S. and an allied Japanese destroyer also visible as the Reagan manouvered some 400 nautical miles (748 kilometres) from the Chinese coast.

It provided a window into the strains of increased deployments and exercises by regional militaries, in part as they respond to the threat posed by Pyongyang’s pursuit of nuclear and missile programmes.

North Korea has staged an apparent hydrogen bomb test and fired two ballistic missiles over Japan in recent weeks.

The situation has unfolded as U.S. naval chiefs review operations to draw lessons from four significant accidents within the U.S. Pacific Fleet this year.

A report this month by the U.S. Government Accountability Office highlighted a host of training and maintenance problems as the navy strove to expand overseas deployments and improve operational readiness.

Dalton will soon lead the carrier to a port call in Chinese-ruled Hong Kong - the first such visit in three years after a stop by another carrier was denied in 2016.

China, which claims much of the disputed South China Sea, has long objected to U.S. military operations off its coasts, even in areas Washington insists are free to international passage.

DOMINANT PRESENCE
Routinely carrying between 60-70 aircraft on board, the carrier sends between 80-100 sorties daily - the core of a dominant U.S. military presence in Asia that analysts believe China could still take years to supplant.

In recent months, the 100,000-ton Reagan has exercised with allied Australian ships as well as Japanese forces.

The South Korean defence ministry has announced it will exercise with the Reagan strike group in October.

Rear Admiral Dalton acknowledged the challenges and top-level reviews but insisted the task force was long used to keeping itself in full readiness.

“As a forward deployed force. . . we are already where we need to be to execute our missions all the time,” he said.

He did not detail any specific North Korean contingencies but described Pyongyang’s missile tests and nuclear programme as a “growing and concerning danger”.

“The U.S. has been very clear about leveraging all options in order to get North Korea to change its path,” he said.
 
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