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AssassinsMace

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Then in that case I wouldn't worry about it, Vietnam or any nation is not officially disputing Hainan, ambition and wishful thinking is one thing but claim is another, Vietnam has as much claim on Hainan as China have claim for all of Vietnam and Korea itself.


I'm not worried about anything because like Obama Administration officials just admitted because of the Otto Warmbier case... a lot of the US's blustering against North Korea was just bluffing. But just remember how the NY Times started a war based on lies. So you have the news media claiming Hainan is a man-made island as disputed territory plus cheerleading Vietnam...
 

Hendrik_2000

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The busy body AMTI is at it again whipping up storm in tea pot.don't they get tired ?But if my bacon depend on it why not
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Beijing's South China Sea outposts nearly set for missile deployment: report
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June 29, 2017
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This picture taken in April 2017 shows an aerial view of a reef in the disputed Spratly islands. China claims nearly all of the South China Sea despite partial counter-claims from Taiwan, the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam
Three of Beijing's outposts on contested South China Sea reefs are close to being ready for the deployment of military assets including mobile missile launchers, a US think tank reported Thursday.

Analysing satellite photographs, the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative said Beijing's Fiery Cross Reef base in the Spratly Islands now has 12 hardened shelters, four more than seen in February, with retractable roofs that can house missile launchers.

At Fiery Cross, Subi and Mischief Reef bases, China has expanded its communications and radar arrays with multiple radar towers on each.

And new construction of "very large underground structures, four at each reef, is underway, which AMTI said a likely designed to house munitions and other essential goods.

"Major construction of military and dual-use infrastructure on the 'Big 3' ... is wrapping up, with the naval, air, radar and defensive facilities that AMTI has tracked for nearly two years largely complete," the group said.

"Beijing can now deploy military assets, including combat aircraft and mobile missile launchers to the Spratly Islands at any time."

AMTI, part of the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Washington, said the air bases on the three islands, and a fourth on Woody Island in the Paracel Islands, allow Chinese military aircraft to operate over almost the entirety of the South China Sea.

In December AMTI reported that large anti-aircraft guns and other defense systems had been installed ont he islands.

China claims nearly all of the South China Sea despite partial counter-claims from Taiwan, the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam.

But the United States has warned it against militarizing the region or threatening international sea lanes.

"We oppose China's artificial island construction and their militarization that features in international waters," US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in Sydney in early June.
 

Yvrch

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T in AMTI stands for Transparency but one can't find any public info on who funds them. One thing for sure is that it is certainly not China. Defense intellectuals with PhD's practically whoring for their paymasters, bless their hearts LoL.
 

Hendrik_2000

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At first I didn't know the significant of this new maritime surveillance aircraft.But it subtle and sophisticated aircraft with search radar and opto electronic that significantly improve China monitoring ability in SCS without intimidating the neighboring countries
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The launch of a new medium-to-long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft is set take China’s surveillance capabilities to unprecedented heights, though experts have mixed views on how the aircraft will be received by the country’s neighbours.

The B-5002, which went into service on June 26 at the South China Sea Branch of the State Oceanic Administration, is the largest and best-equipped plane in the administration’s surveillance fleet.

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With a wingspan of about 30 metres and maximum range of 2,450km, it has the capacity, at least in theory, to monitor and respond to incidents across the whole of the South China Sea, China Ocean News reported.

According to Collin Koh, a maritime expert from the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies at Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University, the B-5002 will redefine the administration’s reconnaissance capabilities.

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While the current fleet of converted Y-12 light maritime surveillance planes are limited in terms of range, endurance and payload, the B-5002 allows Beijing to support surface patrols further out at sea, and for longer periods, he told the Post.

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“Having this new plane will also give China a new flexibility to contribute to regional maritime security, such as in event of an aeronautical disaster like the MH370,” Koh said, referring to the Malaysia Airlines flight that went missing in 2014 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

One of the B-5002’s key technologies is a “sensor suite” comprising both surface search radar and electro-optic detection capabilities, which allows it to operate in all weather and visibility conditions, day or night, Koh said.

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As the B-5002 is classified under China’s maritime law as a civilian aircraft it will not be armed and its sensors will be optimised for surveillance rather than combat. Its primary functions will be the protection of the maritime environment, island exploitation, and maritime research and rescue, he added.

According to Beijing-based military expert Li Jie, one of the principal benefits of the B-5002 is that it will allow China to take a more subtle approach to monitoring and safeguarding its maritime interests.

“If China deploys a warship to carry out a surveillance mission in the South China Sea, it draws a lot of criticism and raises tensions in the region,” he told the Post.

“In contrast, if it uses a B-5002 in a policing role, it can perform its duties better [and without causing upset],” he said.

Koh, however, is less certain on how China’’s neighbours might react.

“Even if the plane doesn’t pose a direct threat to shipping or maritime safety, it would still put other claimants in regional maritime disputes on high alert,” he said.

Regardless, the B-5002 will provide a massive boost for Beijing’s maritime law enforcement agencies, he said.

“The Chinese coastguard in particular, which has been at the forefront of the action in disputed waters, will receive much better aerial support,” Koh said.

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The B-5002 surveillance plane was manufactured by China’s AVIC Xian Aircraft Industry Group at a cost of almost 100 million yuan (US$14.8 million). It was modelled on the domestically developed Xinzhou-60 plane.

Chinese media reported earlier that Beijing was keen to have a surveillance aircraft similar to Japan’s P-3C Orion.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
China’s new spy plane ‘a game-changer’
 

Hendrik_2000

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A balance and logical article on SCS. The cacophony and drumbeat of the war monger is getting louder and louder without even thinking the consequence. This article refute the propaganda by AMTI
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When reporting on the South China Sea, it has become commonplace for media around the world to draw upon think tank research detailing China’s developing military capable facilities in the region.

Some use the information to bolster campaigns to convince the US Trump administration that China presents an imminent threat to the country’s interests, including freedom of navigation. But the deepening drumbeat for the US to militarily confront China in the South China Sea should be considered with a healthy dose of scepticism.

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by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies describes China’s latest construction projects in the South China Sea, concluding that it “can now deploy military assets including combat aircraft and mobile missile launchers to the Spratly Islands at any time.”

This is fact. But the AMTI director also warned in a subsequent interview to “look for deployment in the near future”. This implies that China intends to use these facilities to do so. This is supposition.

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Construction is shown on Mischief Reef, in the Spratly Islands, the disputed South China Sea in this satellite image released by CSIS Asia Maritime Transparency Inititative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Photo: CSIS/AMTI DigitalGlobe/handout via Reuters
Australia’s Lowy Institute released
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fretting that “these strategic outposts will permit Beijing to enhance its power projection capabilities and establish anti-access zones right across the South China Sea”. There are many bad things that could happen in the South China Sea. But that doesn’t mean that they will.

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flourishes when academic analysts themselves push US-slanted research. Let’s take the concern that China will interfere with freedom of commercial navigation. Media articles often cite the more than US$5 trillion trade that transits the South China Sea.

The obvious inference is that China may use their facilities to disrupt this trade. This is possible. But China has not done so, is unlikely to do so and maintains it will not do so. China’s economy depends on seaborne trade through the South China Sea, which would likely be interrupted in a conflict.

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This May 10, 2015 US Navy handout photo shows the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson in the South China Sea. The Carl Vinson Strike Group is deployed to the U.S. 7th Fleet in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region. AFP/ US Navy/LT. Jonathan Pfaff.
The United States has cleverly conflated freedom of commercial navigation with the freedom to undertake provocative military intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance activities (ISR).

The US argument is that freedom of navigation is indivisible and includes both commercial navigation and US IRR probes.

The United States then argues that China’s interference with its military vessels and aircraft in and over China’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) violates freedom of navigation. But China argues that it is not challenging freedom of navigation itself, only the abuse of this right by the US military in its EEZ.

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A Chinese H-6K long range bomber flies over Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal in the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone after the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration trashed China’s 9-Dash Line claim.
US ISR missions include active ‘tickling’ of China’s coastal defences to provoke and observe a response, interference with shore to ship and submarine communications, ‘preparation of the battlefield’ using legal ambiguities to evade the scientific research consent regime, and tracking of China’s new nuclear submarines for potential targeting as they enter and exit their base.

In China’s view these are not passive intelligence collection activities commonly undertaken and usually tolerated by most states. Moreover, they are not uses of the ocean for peaceful purposes as required by
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, but are intrusive and controversial practices threatening the use of force which is prohibited by the UN Charter.

Western think-tank research seems often one-sided and focused on ‘outing’ China. More balanced analysis would pay equivalent attention to other claimants’ activities — particularly those of the US navy and its own ‘militarisation’ of the South China Sea.

While China might present a problem for the US navy in encounters close to the Chinese mainland, the United States still maintains the overall military advantage in the South China Sea. It currently operates with combat military vessels and aircraft as well as manned ISR assets. It is also deploying aerial, surface and underwater drones to the area.

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Research on the South China Sea also commonly neglects the vulnerability of China’s installations to the US capability to destroy them. In any conflict scenario — and interference with commercial freedom of navigation would likely incite conflict — these facilities would be indefensible in the face of US long-range cruise missiles.

According to Dennis Blair, retired Admiral and former US director of national intelligence, “The Spratlys are 900 miles away from China for God’s sake. Those things have no ability to defend themselves in any sort of military sense. The Philippines and the Vietnamese could put them out of action, much less us.”

Vietnam has deployed advanced mobile rocket launchers to some of the features it occupies thus threatening China’s installations.

China apparently does not consider defensive installations ‘militarisation’. It has repeatedly warned it will defend itself if the United States persists with provocative ISR probes and Freedom of Navigation exercises (
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and occupied features.

In a January 2016 teleconference with US Chief of Naval Operations John Richardson, Chinese naval commander Wu Shengli said that “We won’t not set up defences. How many defences completely depends on the level of threat we face”. Self-defence is every nation’s right.

There is obviously disagreement over the definition of ‘militarisation’ and who is doing it. Was the recent US deployment of the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike force into the South China Sea ‘militarising’ the Sea? What about US ally Japan announcing with great media hype that it will send its largest naval vessel there? Both China and the US are
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— at least in each other’s eyes.


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As expected the US and China continue to talk and walk right past each other on this issue.

U.S. missile destroyer trespassing territorial waters "serious provocation"
SourceXinhuanetEditorZhang TaoTime2017-07-03

BEIJING, July 2 (Xinhua) -- China said on Sunday that the U.S. missile destroyer trespassing China's territorial waters off the Xisha Islands was "serious political and military provocation."

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said in a statement released on Sunday night that China dispatched military vessels and fighter planes in response to warn off the U.S. vessel.

Earlier Sunday, the missile destroyer USS Stethem trespassed China's territorial waters off the Xisha Islands.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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"China strongly opposes US Navy trespassing Chinese territorial waters in the South China Sea and vows to increase defense build-up and patrols in the region, Defense Ministry said on Monday.

On Sunday, the USS Stethem, an American guided-missile destroyer, sailed within 12 nautical miles of Zhongjian Island in the waters of Xisha Archipelago without notifying China in advance, said ministry spokesman Wu Qian.

As a result, the Chinese Navy dispatched guided-missile destroyer Luoyang, guided-missile frigate Suqian, a minesweeper ship Taishan and two J-11B fighter jets to warn and drive away the American ship, Wu added.

This is the second time that US naval ships carried out such operation since President Donald Trump took office. The first being in May when a US warship entered Meiji Islands in the Nansha Archipelago.

The Chinese government has announced its baseline for its territorial waters around Xisha Islands in 1996, yet the US side continues to send warships to trespass and provoke in Chinese territorial waters.

"This is a serious violation of law, and China strongly oppose such actions," Wu said.

In January last year, another guided-missile destroyer USS Curtis Wilbur also sailed within 12 nautical miles of islands in the Xisha Archipelago, drawing a protest from Beijing.

"These actions have seriously damaged mutual strategic trust, seriously undermined the political climate for Sino-US military relations, seriously endangered the lives of soldiers at the front line, and seriously sabotaged regional peace and security," he said.

The Chinese military will increase various defense capabilities buildups, as well as the number of sea and air patrols in the region, based on the level of threat that the nation faces. It will also resolutely protect national sovereignty and security, he added."
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tidalwave

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US Navy came within 12 miles of trinton island, part of paracel chain. Those are natural islands.

Basically , US is saying it doesn't recognize China ownership of paracel. It's a mjor escalation than simple FONOP at spratley.

Well, China should return the favor and sail within 12 miles of Guam, and it shouldn't recognize US ownership of Guam.
 
US Navy came within 12 miles of trinton island, part of paracel chain. Those are natural islands.

Basically , US is saying it doesn't recognize China ownership of paracel. It's a mjor escalation than simple FONOP at spratley.

Well, China should return the favor and sail within 12 miles of Guam, and it shouldn't recognize US ownership of Guam.

Or it's merely the US proving their gunboat diplomacy, militarization, and bullying behavior under so called "freedom of navigation" military operations.

Lawfare, opsec, and PR all demand both sides to keep details vague especially if they don't want escalation and readily explains why it doesn't make sense for China to mirror US behavior.

Games of chicken with ships akin to what happens in the air with aircraft is the most risky behavior I can envision.
 
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