China's SCS Strategy Thread

Gloire_bb

Captain
Registered Member
There's no stronger message than 'come go at us' than this in something that's called by Xinhua as 'backyard'.
There is much more in sea control("facts on the surface", if you wish) than shiny carriers and stuff.

Since US "message" is notoriously weakly supported by other branches of their(and allied) sea power.


Those pictures show how your 'de facto' looks like.
Combat ships(especially such huge ones) don't mean that much in this question. We're talking peacetime maritime politics and diplomacy, not "i sink u" nonsense.
Honestly speaking, transfer of USCG cutters to Vietnam sounds more effective, but atm it's far too little.
 
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Nothing that we don't know but nice to see Mike Yeo did this on defense news

China deploys new anti-submarine aircraft to fringes of South China Sea
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June 22, 2017 (Photo Credit: DigitalGlobe)
MELBOURNE, Australia — China has deployed its newest anti-submarine aircraft and stepped up unmanned aircraft deployments to Hainan island on the fringes of the South China Sea, according to satellite imagery obtained by Defense News.

Satellite photos taken on May 10 and May 20 by commercial satellite imagery company DigitalGlobe showed four Shaanxi Y-8Q turboprop aircraft with its distinctive magnetic anomaly detector boom parked on the ground at Lingshui Air Base in the southeastern part of China’s Hainan island.

The satellite pass from May 10 also showed three Harbin BZK-005 high-altitude, long-range UAVs at the base. This is the largest number of BZK-005s to have been seen at Lingshui since they were first noted in 2016. The drones have also previously been observed at the Chinese air base at nearby Woody Island, in the disputed Paracel Islands.

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This is the largest number of BZK-005 drones to have been seen at Lingshui since they were first noted in 2016.
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In addition, two KJ-500 airborne early warning aircraft were also seen at Lingshui on both occasions. Defense News had previously reported on the deployment of the KJ-500 to Hainan at nearby Jialaishi Air Base that had been seen on satellite photos taken in March, which was the first time the KJ-500 had been seen deployed by the People’s Liberation Army Navy, or PLAN.

This is the first time the Y-8Q has been seen at Hainan, with China having previously rotationally deployed maritime patrol aircraft detachments to Lingshui, made up of a mixture of older Y-8Js and Y-8Xs drawn from the PLAN's two special-mission aircraft regiments based in northern China.

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This satellite image shows a Shaanxi Y-8Q turboprop aircraft at Lingshui Air Base in the southeastern part of China’s Hainan island.
Photo Credit: DigitalGlobe

Lingshui is one of three PLAN air bases in Hainan, which is the southernmost province of China and borders the northern edge of the South China Sea. The three bases are normally home to three regiments of Shenyang J-11B Flanker fighters and a single regiment of Xian JH-7 fighter-bombers, from which they have been used on occasion to intercept routine U.S. military flights operating in nearby international airspace.

The base’s previous claim to fame was being the air base on which a badly damaged U.S. Navy EP-3 Aries surveillance aircraft force-landed following a midair collision with a Chinese Shenyang J-8 interceptor during an aerial encounter in 2001.

The Y-8Q is the newest maritime patrol aircraft to be fielded by China and the first combat-capable PLAN aircraft of this type, boasting of improved anti-submarine warfare capabilities that the older Y-8J and Y-8X lacked. It is based on an improved Shaanxi Y-8 airlifter airframe with improved turboprop engines and high-efficiency, six-bladed propellers.

In addition to the magnetic anomaly detector boom, which is used to hunt submarines by detecting minute variations in the Earth's magnetic field, the Y-8Q also has a surface-search radar and an electro-optical turret for the maritime patrol mission, while a fuselage weapons bay located forward of the main landing gear will likely be used for carrying torpedoes.



It has been suggested that the Y-8Q also has fuselage sonobuoy dispensers and hardpoints on the wings for anti-ship missiles, although Defense News has yet to see evidence of this.

Two prototype Y-8Qs were seen in late 2011 and started test flights with the China Flight Test Establishment in late 2012. Also known as the GX-6 under China’s GaoXin special-mission aircraft-designation system, the first production aircraft were seen at Shaanxi’s Hanzhong factory in early 2015 and believed to have entered service with the PLAN later that year, although this has not been confirmed.

The deployments of the Y-8Q to Hainan soon after that of the KJ-500 is a further demonstration of China’s intention of beefing up the PLAN’s South Sea Fleet domain-awareness and sea-control capabilities with the latest equipment in its inventory.

Like the PLAN’s KJ-500s, unverified photos of the Y-8Qs have indicated that they are carrying serial numbers belonging to the Hainan-based 9th Naval Air Division, which lends further credence that these aircraft would be permanently stationed in Hainan instead of being assigned there on temporary rotations per previous practice.
 
I read
China to compile historical data about South China Sea
Xinhua| 2017-06-21 23:13:36
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A project was launched Wednesday in China that will see researchers compile historical data obtained during expeditions to the South China Sea since the late 1950s.

Researchers will collect and compile valuable data and materials obtained during China's major ocean expeditions to the South China Sea and its affiliated islands and reefs, said Long Lijuan, deputy head of the South China Sea Institute of Oceanology under the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

The project is one of the 14 resource investigation programs approved by the Ministry of Science and Technology this year.

A comparative analysis and research into the data will provide insight into the resources, environment and changes related to the South China Sea and its affiliated islands and reefs.

The project has the participation of 193 scholars from 10 domestic research institutions and universities, who specialize in fields such as marine life, ecology, fishery and geology.

Retired expedition members have been invited to assist the program to ensure the reliability and precision of the data.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
A project was launched Wednesday in China that will see researchers compile historical data obtained during expeditions to the South China Sea since the late 1950s.
Well, thinking about 1950's that's like the entire history of PRC. I'm glad that they aren't digging up to the prehistoric times of, like late 1940's or, even worse, early 1940's. I'm sure that's a great ride for them. Looking up 'National Archives' or Xinhua's news release..
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Well, thinking about 1950's that's like the entire history of PRC. I'm glad that they aren't digging up to the prehistoric times of, like late 1940's or, even worse, early 1940's. I'm sure that's a great ride for them. Looking up 'National Archives' or Xinhua's news release..

The law will catch up with you. If you commit the crime, do the time.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well, thinking about 1950's that's like the entire history of PRC. I'm glad that they aren't digging up to the prehistoric times of, like late 1940's or, even worse, early 1940's. I'm sure that's a great ride for them. Looking up 'National Archives' or Xinhua's news release..

Oh you mean like when 4000 year old Caucasian mummies were found in Far West China, white people started claiming China owes everything to whites?
 
well people didn't listen when I posted about the elevators:
Mar 16, 2017
would an Osprey fit into the elevator?
May 15, 2015
... I've read (in a Czech military journal) the width of the elevators on Japanese Helicopter Destroyers is 10.9 m, while the F-35B wingspan is 35 feet ... now I have to convert it :) 35ft= 10.66800m ... a tight fit
LOL they still won't listen but the debater says:

"... what the Japanese always point to, is that they don't have the lift that's capable of taking aircraft
below decks ..."

since this moment:
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Janiz

Senior Member
What is Japan doing in SCS taking some ASEAN officer on board Izumo for 3 month SCS tour?
lol, Japan is US dog. It's sinking economically, they can't into selling arms to Turkmenistan etc, they're a joke of a country. So don't bother with it. Concentrate on US as they surely told Abe (their dog) to send a warship around ASEAN countries. Nothing comes out of this, of course.
 
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