China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

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Correct.

Type 056A FFG 592 Luzhou and Type 054A FFG 573 Liuzhou were on patrol when the incident occurred.

Correct nothing much will change China keep consolidating the hold on the islet and the American can do FON as much as they like.Here is henri K take
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The American destroyer USS Dewey (DDG-105) of Arleigh Burke class passed Wednesday near the reef of Mischief, an islet controlled and fortified by the Chinese army in the Spratleys archipelago, in the South China Sea.

The US Navy's naval vessel sailed less than 12 nautical miles in an operation to prove "Freedom of Navigation" (FON) in those disputed,
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This is the first operation of its kind since the inauguration of Donald TRUMP as the 45th President of the United States. In 2016, US Navy ships conducted 3 FON operations in the South China Sea, near the Chinese islands.

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The USS Dewey destroyer in the South China Sea.

The USS Dewey has been deployed in Asia Pacific since the end of March to strengthen the capabilities of the US 3rd Fleet. The ship is currently training an SAG (Surface Action Group) with another destroyer of the same class, the USS Sterett , and conducted a series of trainings near the coast of Guam in early May with the 78th Helicoport Marine Attack Squadron To obtain two qualifications - Enlisted Aviation Warfare Specialist (EAWS) and Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist (ESWS).

The passage of the USS Dewey within the 12 nautical miles of a Chinese islet is very symbolic because this distance represents the maximum width that a state can lay down from baselines established in accordance with the UN Convention United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) as a territorial sea.

It would therefore be a posture and also a new message sent to Beijing to remind us of the position of the United States, when they are part of one of the few countries in the world not to have ratified the UNCLOS Convention.

Occupied and controlled by China, and claimed by Taiwan, the Philippines and Vietnam, the Mischief reef (9 ° 54'N 115 ° 32'E) now measures 5.52 km² after the backfilling carried out by China since Early 2015.

It is the largest islet of the Spratleys archipelago and has, among other things, a track of 3,000 meters, capable of having a Boeing 737 or Airbus 320 airliner (see note "
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"). It is also one of the three largest fortified Chinese bases in the region, with the Fiery Cross reef and the Subi reef.

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The location of Mischief Reef

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Mischief Reef

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, Colonel REN Guoqiang, spokesperson of the Chinese Defense Ministry, said that two frigates of the Chinese navy, the 573 Liuzhou of Type 054A and 592 Luzhou of Type 056 , Who were present there, identified the American destroyer and issued warnings.

Apart from the standard reminder of China's position, REN indicates that, thanks to the mutual effort of the ASEAN countries and China, the overall situation in the South China Sea is improving and the military gesticulations of The US military will not contribute to stability and peace in the region.

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The corvette 592 Luzhou of Type 056

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The frigate 573 Liuzhou of Type 054A

We are witnessing an umpteenth scene that has been repeated for at least two years - the Americans continue to protest in their own way and say "anonymously", and meanwhile the Chinese continue to build and complete their facilities in the region, and Negotiate separately with each of the ASEAN countries so that their positions are favorable to China.

The TRUMP investiture does not seem to have changed the situation for the moment on this part of the world.

To be continued.

Henri K.
 
U.S. Warship Came Within 6 Miles of Chinese Artificial Island in Toughest Challenge Yet to Beijing South China Sea Claims
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A U.S. destroyer sailed within six nautical miles of a Chinese artificial island on Wednesday in the strongest challenge of hotly debated Chinese claims in the South China Sea, USNI News has learned.

Around 7 P.M. EST on Wednesday (7 A.M. Thursday local time), USS Dewey (DDG-105) passed within six nautical miles of the Chinese installation on Mischief Reef in the Spratly Island chain, several U.S. officials confirmed to USNI News

The guided-missile destroyer operated normally and did not conduct the transit under the rules of an innocent passage – the restrictions that allow a warship to pass through another country’s territorial waters with no notice.

The ship was within 12 nautical miles of Mischief Reef for about 90 minutes zig-zagging in the water near the installation. At one point during the operation, the ship’s crew conducted a man overboard drill, a U.S. official told USNI News.

The U.S. destroyer was shadowed by a Chinese frigate for the duration of the operation and was challenged by radio and warned to leave the vicinity by People’s Liberation Army units more than 20 times, USNI News has learned.

A PLA spokesperson
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two PLA Navy frigates had “warned off” Dewey.

The operation is the first freedom of navigation operation (FON op) to challenge Chinese South China Sea claims during the Trump administration and the first in the region since USS Decatur (DDG-73) conducted a FON op against excessive Chinese claims
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Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis would not confirm the U.S. had conducted the specific freedom of navigation operation when asked by USNI News on Thursday morning.

“We are continuing regular FON ops, as we have routinely done in the past and will continue to do in the future,” Davis told USNI News.
“Summaries of these operations will be released publicly in the annual FON ops report, and not sooner.”

However, Chinese officials quickly confirmed and condemned Dewey’s passage past Mischief Reef early Thursday.

“The USS Dewey missile destroyer entered the adjacent waters of the relevant islands and reefs in China’s Nansha [Spratly] Islands without the permission of the Chinese government. The Chinese navy legally identified and verified the U.S. vessel and warned it to leave,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang
“The relevant action of the U.S. vessel undermined China’s sovereignty and security interests and is highly likely to cause untoward incidents in the waters and airspace. China is strongly dissatisfied and firmly opposed to this.”

The character of the passage and location of the Dewey FON op sends an unambiguous challenge to Chinese claims of sovereignty for its artificial island installations.

Unlike other Chinese artificial islands in the South China Sea, the Mischief Reef installation isn’t subject to overlapping territorial claims from any other country and is built on a low-tide elevation, as determined by the
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on Chinese claims in the South China Sea.

Under the U.N. Law of the Sea Convention, a low-tide elevation cannot be claimed as the territory of any country and does not command a territorial sea.

“This is in my view the most significant of these [FON ops]. Not only does it challenge China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea, it shoehorns in a challenge to China’s claim of the feature,” James Kraska, a professor of international law, oceans law and policy at the U.S. Naval War College’s Stockton Center for the Study of International Law, told USNI News on Thursday.

“The rationale is if the U.S. doesn’t recognize innocent passage there’s no territorial sea, and if there is no territorial sea there is no ownership by China.”

Since the U.S. restarted regular FON ops in the South China Sea in late 2015, the missions tested holdings that were claimed by multiple countries and did not single out excessive Chinese claims.

Gregory Poling with the Center for Strategic and International Studies Asian Maritime Transparency Initiative told USNI News that Wednesday’s operation past Mischief is different.

“Mischief is the only Chinese-occupied feature without a territorial sea, so it’s the only one where a non-innocent passage FON op could challenge the actual status of the reef,” he said.
“The Dewey just sent a message that, as far as the U.S. is concerned, the Mischief Reef is an artificial island entitled to no maritime entitlements whatsoever. Now the question is whether we keep it up.”

USNI News understands that earlier this month the Office of the Secretary of Defense presented the National Security Council a schedule for future regional FON ops to create a menu of options for the NSC to choose from when U.S. assets are in the region.

An NSC spokeswoman provided USNI News a statement that did not acknowledge the FON op schedule.

Opportunities for South China Sea FON ops during the early part of the Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group deployment in February were not acted on to allow the Pentagon time to develop a cohesive strategy for the region, several defense officials told USNI News over the last few months.

While the Wednesday operation was the first Trump administration-approved operation, U.S. ships and aircraft have been active in the South China Sea.

While U.S. warships and aircraft need White House approval to come within 12 nautical miles of a contested South China Sea feature for a planned FON op, U.S. ships have been routinely operating just outside the 12 nautical mile boundaries of Chinese claims for months.
I noticed it had been reported here first in
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Blackstone

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U.S. Warship Came Within 6 Miles of Chinese Artificial Island in Toughest Challenge Yet to Beijing South China Sea Claims
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I noticed it had been reported here first in
#4561 Ultra, Today at 3:21 PM
which is a post containing profanity
It's important to note at no time did USS Dewey venture into Chinese territorial waters, innocent passage or not. US asserted its rights under international law, and China gave fair warning to USS Dewey not to accidentally sail inside Chinese sovereignty waters. All is well, and nothing to unusual to report.
 

sanblvd

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I like this arrangement, US come every few month, while China is there 24/7 building up further facility and defenses, the longer China is there the stronger their claims.


For the first time since President Donald Trump took office, a U.S. warship has sailed near a Chinese-controlled island in the disputed South China Sea, signaling an attempt to project a more assertive American stance against Beijing just before a major regional defense summit.

The mission, a passage by the guided missile destroyer USS Dewey on Wednesday within twelve nautical miles of Mischief Reef, in the Spratly island chain, was long anticipated and delayed. The last such operation took place in October, and U.S. commanders who had already chafed under Barack Obama’s tight leash had hoped to get a freer hand and to carry out more patrols under Trump.

Instead, the new administration has declined several requests from the military to carry out naval patrols in the disputed waterway. Eager to secure China’s help in pressuring North Korea over its nuclear weapons program, the White House has moved cautiously and chosen not to confront Beijing over the South China Sea, officials and congressional aides told Foreign Policy.

But with defense ministers and senior military officers from across Asia due to meet in Singapore next month, including U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis, the administration needed to show it was willing to back up its words with some action and demonstrate that it would uphold the principle of freedom of navigation, experts said.

“This was a good, albeit overdue, move by the Trump Administration,” said Ely Ratner, formerly deputy national security adviser to Joe Biden and now at the Council on Foreign Relations.

It was the first time a U.S. warship had sailed within the twelve-mile limit of any Chinese-held feature — a way to show that Washington doesn’t buy Beijing’s claims that rocks generate a territorial sea, and so push back against China’s expansionist claims. “This was the big one folks were waiting for,” he said.

And while those so-called freedom of navigation operations, or FONOPS, by themselves don’t amount to a U.S. strategy to deal with the South China Sea, he said, the first step is to make sure that China can’t unilaterally fence off bits of international waters. “FONOPs are an essential part of that,” Ratner said.

During the campaign and early days of the administration, Trump and his deputies staked out a tough line on China. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
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in his confirmation hearings that U.S. forces would actually try to expel China from disputed waters and islets it now claims.

But North Korea and its rapidly-expanding missile and nuclear weapons program have grabbed the attention of the Trump administration, pushing the disputes over the Chinese land grab in the South China Sea — and Beijing’s open militarization of many islets and atolls — to the back burner. Trump has toned down his rhetoric on trade disputes and other spats with China specifically to secure Beijing’s cooperation in defusing the North Korea crisis.

“The president and his advisers have calculated that if we are to get China’s help on North Korea, better to take the foot off the gas on more contentious issues,” said Mira Rapp-Hooper, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.

Even though as a candidate Trump portrayed former president Barack Obama as a weak president in his dealings with China and other adversaries, his administration’s cautious diplomacy bears some resemblance to Obama’s policies, as the previous White House concluded that more could be gained from Beijing by avoiding a full-blown confrontation over the South China Sea or other disputes.

Much to the consternation of U.S. allies in Asia, the Trump White House has yet to fill senior positions at the State Department and the Pentagon handling Asia policy, and has said little about the South China Sea issue publicly. The uncertainty over the administration’s policy on China has alarmed America’s partners and weakened the resolve of some governments in Southeast Asia, who fear Washington will no longer back them up if they try to take on Beijing in the South China Sea.

At a meeting last month in Manila of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, government ministers from the region backed off of references to “land reclamation and militarization” after lobbying from China.

The Pentagon sought to downplay the significance of the operation, which it described as routine. Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, described the passage at an event in Washington Thursday as “not confrontational,” and said that the so-called freedom of navigation operations by U.S. ships receive exaggerated scrutiny for the supposed diplomatic messages they convey.

“They sure get a lot of attention when they happen,” he said, but the operations are routinely conducted all over the world without the fanfare associated with the South China Sea missions.

The operations sure get a lot of attention in China.

The Dewey’s patrol “undermined China’s sovereignty and security interests and is highly likely to cause untoward incidents in the waters and airspace,” a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson
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Citing China’s “indisputable sovereignty” over those islets and surrounding waters, he added: “We strongly urge the U.S. side to correct its wrongdoing and stop any provocative actions detrimental to China’s sovereignty and security interests so as to avoid any further damage to China-US cooperation and regional peace and stability.”

And such operations are also closely watched in Washington, rightly or wrongly, as a barometer of the administration’s willingness to push back against China. Amid growing concern in Congress that the Trump administration is making strategic concessions to China in hopes of persuading Beijing to shift its stance on North Korea, several senators from both sides of the aisle
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a letter earlier this month urging the administration to show resolve in the South China Sea and conduct more frequent naval patrols in the waterway.

The first real test of the effect of Wednesday’s naval mission will come in early June at the Shangri-La dialogue, a large annual gathering in Singapore that serves as a venue for high-level talks on crucial matters of Asian security.

Many maritime experts view the focus on freedom of navigation operations, and how they are publicly presented, as misplaced.

“In my view, the publicity around the FONOPs is problematic. Many observers now view it as an indicator of U.S. resolve, which it is not,” said M. Taylor Fravel, an expert on Chinese maritime issues at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Such missions are merely meant to uphold traditional rights to navigation in international waters for all countries, he said. What’s more, they can give Beijing an excuse to ramp up its own provocative behavior, feeling as if its claims of sovereignty are being challenged.

“They were never intended to do more, such as deterring China’s broader ambitions in places like the South China Sea.”

Ultimately, and despite the belated U.S. mission near Mischief Reef, Washington has few tools at its disposal to convince China to retreat from its years-long acquisition and garrisoning of a spate of tiny reefs and atolls in the South China Sea, one of the world’s busiest waterways. Some experts and lawmakers have urged imposing economic sanctions on Chinese companies taking part in the vast island-building project, but the Trump administration has shown no sign it is ready to consider such a move.

Since it began dredging sand from the seafloor to vastly expand the size of those pinpricks of coral in 2014, China has built airfields, deep harbors and air defense systems on many features and deployed advanced fighter jets, despite promises to stop militarizing the area.

The bid to extend its reach in the waterway is part of China’s much broader effort — backed up with an arsenal of missiles — to push out its defensive perimeter from the Chinese coast and keep potential rivals at arm’s length in the event of a conflict.

“The United States does not have great options in the South China Sea,” Fravel said. “China will not vacate the features it occupies and the United States will not forcibly remove them. “

China’s project has moved at a brisk pace, with reports of new military installations appearing every few weeks. Earlier this month, a state-run Chinese paper said that Beijing had installed 155 mm rocket launchers on Fiery Cross reef in the Spratlys, purportedly to deter combat divers from Vietnam, which has been at loggerheads with China over territorial claims in the South China Sea.

“They basically succeeded in their construction projects, and are now well on their way to having floating bases out in the Spratly Islands, and there’s been really very little pushback and they’ve had to pay very little cost for doing so,” said Rapp-Hooper.

She added: “It is, unfortunately, now game over.”
 

Blackstone

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I like this arrangement, US come every few month, while China is there 24/7 building up further facility and defenses, the longer China is there the stronger their claims.
That's how I see it too. China is turning the South China Sea into it's version of the US Greater Caribbean, and there's no stopping it now.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Two J-10s with missiles under its wings flew within 200 yards of a U.S. Navy P-3 surveillance plane 150 miles southeast of Hong Kong on Wed.


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delft

Brigadier
But what current situation have to do with 'centuries of history'? I just showed how it would look if US would make exactly the same actions as PRC in a few recent years, not centuries... What's wrong with that?
What US did in the Chagos Islands, have UK deport the population to have a free hand to build the Diego Garcia base, was very much worse than China did in SCS even if you think that those islands were owned by the Philippines.
 

tidalwave

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Anyone aware the Dewey isn't a FONOP no more?

According to Chinese article, it stayed a good 90 minutes near 6 miles mischief island.
It threw a fake dummy body in the water and practiced rescue operation.

USN stepping up the level of provocation.

Maybe China should adopt russian style of using jet the Buzz the US navy ships.

Time to put SAM and jets on the island.


Only Fair for both sides to step up their games.
 
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