China's SCS Strategy Thread

Insignius

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Pretty much so. They must have some intel about that and from what Japanese CG reported from the last standoff near Senkaku's there were 'fishermen' coming and going from Chinese CG cutters to fishing boats. They work in a similar way that North Koreans do it seems. I'm not saying that's bad but rises some doubts.

Hmm, so for the CCG, in return, the Japanese fishers (and Whalers) should be fair game then?

Greenpeace should be satisfied.
 
So certain people in the US want to arbitrarily classify civilian fishermen as "military targets", and thus justify military action against them?
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The following is video from Aug. 5th and 6th released by the Japan Coast Guard this week that the agency says shows China Coast Guard and fishing vessels near the Japanese Senkaku Islands.
 

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Publication Date: August 17, 2016
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Minister of the Interior Yeh Jiunn-rong led a team of officials and researchers to Taiping Island Aug. 16 to reaffirm the Republic of China’s (Taiwan) sovereignty over the largest naturally formed island in the Nansha (Spratly) Islands.

“As President Tsai Ing-wen stated during the July 19 National Security Council meeting, the ROC remains steadfast on its position that the South China Sea islands are an inherent part of the nation’s territory,” Yeh said during a news conference at the Ministry of the Interior in Taipei City following his one-day trip to Taiping Island.

“The ROC maintains all rights over the South China Sea islands and their surrounding waters in accordance with international law and the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea,” he said. “While we will not assert excessive claims, we will also not give up any rights.”

Yeh and the group, which included Coast Guard Administration Minister Lee Chung-wei, Kaohsiung City Deputy Mayor Chen Chin-de and researchers involved in projects overseen by the Ministry of Science and Technology, took part in a large number of activities during the visit. Some of these were meeting with government personnel, inspecting meteorological facilities, touring fruit and vegetable gardens and attaching a new address plate to Nansha Hospital.

According to Yeh, the trip is also part of preparations to transform Taiping Island into a hub of scientific investigation on climate change and marine ecology. “Given its central location in the South China Sea and rich biodiversity, Taiping Island is ideal for conducting long-term atmospheric and marine environmental research and observation.”

The minister said the Central Weather Bureau will set up automatic weather observation and tidal monitoring stations next month, adding that the MOI is working with the MOST and other agencies on sharing this data and seeking international collaboration on related projects.

Other measures in the pipeline, Yeh said, are producing a documentary on the lives of government personnel stationed on Taiping Island and staging a seminar and workshop on the government’s South China Sea policymaking. These are part of a series of events planned to commemorate the 70th anniversary of Taiping Island’s recovery by the ROC. The ROC recovered Taiping Island Dec. 12, 1946, following World War II, and has stationed government personnel there for over 60 years since June 1956.

Taiping Island, with an area of 0.51 square kilometers, can sustain human habitation and an economic life of its own, and meets the criteria of an island as defined in Article 121 of UNCLOS. Therefore, the ROC enjoys full rights associated with territorial waters, a contiguous zone, an exclusive economic zone, and a continental shelf in accordance with UNCLOS. (SFC-E)

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ahojunk

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China, Russia hold third round of talks on exercise to be held in September in South China Sea


China, Russia hold third round of talks on SCS exercise
CCTV English
Published on Aug 26, 2016
 

SouthernSky

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China, Russia hold third round of talks on exercise to be held in September in South China Sea


China, Russia hold third round of talks on SCS exercise
CCTV English
Published on Aug 26, 2016

Russia asking China to have an adequate amount of tugs on standby no doubt.

I'm joking with a tinge of seriousness. :D
 

Jeff Head

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Pacific Sentinel said:
BEIJING, Aug. 26 (Xinhua) -- Maritime cooperation between China and Vietnam has set an example for handling South China Sea disputes.

The coast guards of China and Vietnam on Friday held their first working meeting during which they signed a conference summary.

Friday's meeting is a key step in enhancing bilateral maritime cooperation between China and Vietnam, which, since 1992, have been negotiating the demarcation of territorial waters in the Beibu Gulf -- a half-closed bay surrounded by Chinese and Vietnamese territory and a traditional fishing area for the two countries.

Maritime cooperation has particularly been deepened since the two countries signed the Beibu Gulf Demarcation Agreement and the Beibu Gulf Fishery Cooperation Agreement in 2000.
China and Vietnam have also conducted joint patrols and joint oil exploration in Beibu Gulf in the past few years.
Vietnam has shown that it is not looking for any kind of fight...but it has also done two other things that have influenced China to sit down, and for Vietnam to sit down, and try and reslve these issues.

1) Vietnam has retied out to others, including the United States for potential involvement in Vietnam defense affairs.
2) Vietnam has rapidly built up a credible NAval defense force, which is modern and ery capable.

I believe these two things have led to Vietnam and China being able t sit down bi-laterally as a reult and make some progress.

6 x Improved Kilo Class SSKs
6 x Modern Gerphard 3.9 Class Frigates
6 x Locally built Molniya Corvettes with 16 ASMs each (Modernized Tarantul vessesl)
4 x New Sigma 9014 class Frigates to be built

Pretty nice looking force:

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Vietnam has shown that it is not looking for any kind of fight...but it has also done two other things that have influenced China to sit down, and for Vietnam to sit down, and try and reslve these issues.

1) Vietnam has retied out to others, including the United States for potential involvement in Vietnam defense affairs.
2) Vietnam has rapidly built up a credible NAval defense force, which is modern and ery capable.

I believe these two things have led to Vietnam and China being able t sit down bi-laterally as a reult and make some progress.

6 x Improved Kilo Class SSKs
6 x Modern Gerphard 3.9 Class Frigates
6 x Locally built Molniya Corvettes with 16 ASMs each (Modernized Tarantul vessesl)
4 x New Sigma 9014 class Frigates to be built

Pretty nice looking force:

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Yes... both sides are using all the means they have to enhance their negotiating positions, including military modernization, economic influence, and international diplomacy in the region and in the world, and I'm sure both would like to have the most optimal negotiating position before either side is willing to sit down and talk properly.

I'm not sure whether this piece of news is a serious sign of compromise on the key issues (probably not), but any willingness for both sides in any sort of dispute to increase dialogue should be seen as a positive.
 

Jeff Head

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Yes... both sides are using all the means they have to enhance their negotiating positions, including military modernization, economic influence, and international diplomacy in the region and in the world, and I'm sure both would like to have the most optimal negotiating position before either side is willing to sit down and talk properly.

I'm not sure whether this piece of news is a serious sign of compromise on the key issues (probably not), but any willingness for both sides in any sort of dispute to increase dialogue should be seen as a positive.
ANy time they are negotiationg in good faith...that is a good thing.

Since that report, I read this this weekend:

Vietnam Defense Minister Visists the PRC
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efence Minister General Ngo Xuan Lich is paying an official friendly visit to China from August 28-31.
The visit aims to continuously implement agreements reached by the two countries’ Party and State leaders such as increasing high-level delegation exchanges and deepening the bilateral military ties.
Minister Lich, who is also Politburo member and Vice Secretary of the Central Military Commission, is scheduled to hold talks with his Chinese counterpart Chang Wanquan and meet with senior officials from the Chinese Party, State and Central Military Commission.

So...you never know. One thing is clear, the Vietnamese have played their hand much m,ore cooly and smarlty IMHO, than what we have seen coming from Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte for example.
 

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ANy time they are negotiationg in good faith...that is a good thing.

Since that report, I read this this weekend:

Vietnam Defense Minister Visists the PRC
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So...you never know.

Possibly -- we'll have to see.


One thing is clear, the Vietnamese have played their hand much m,ore cooly and smarlty IMHO, than what we have seen coming from Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte for example.

Oh, I'm not sure about that -- I think Duterte has only entered office, and he's made a lot of good noise and sent former president Fidel Ramos on a mission to China a few weeks back as an icebreaker to precede future talks, which China seems to have welcomed.

From the Chinese perspective, I bet they would perceive the last Philippines president, Aquino, as the one who essentially torpedoed any chance for talks at all. So the very fact that Duterte has made enough moves to make China be open to talks so early into his reign, should be a major commendation, at least in this particular facet of his presidency.
The problem is that to salvage the relationship after years of high profile disagreement and animosity between China and the Philippines will need time to let things simmer down a little, simply because things got so hot with Aquino -- and I think that is beyond the control of Duterte as well as China.
 
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