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interesting article If China builds in Scarborough Shoal, it would come ‘after G20 summit’
Beijing might begin reclamation in the disputed atoll – 230km west of Manila – after leaders gather in Hangzhou next month but before the US presidential election, source says

China will not carry out any reclamation work in the Scarborough Shoal in the disputed South China Sea before hosting the G20 summit next month, but it might begin construction before the US presidential election in November, a source familiar with the matter said.

Beijing would also avoid taking any provocative action in the shoal right now given the Philippines had expressed a willingness to explore new ways to resolve their dispute, he said.

Special Philippine envoy Fidel Ramos wrapped up his ice-breaking trip in Hong Kong on Friday, after meeting representatives of China. Ramos, acting on behalf of Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, said Manila wanted formal discussions to avoid further tensions over the South China Sea, where several nations have competing claims.

“Since the G20 will be held in Hangzhou next month, and regional peace will be the main topic among leaders of the great powers, China will refrain from [acting on the] reclamation plan,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

But Beijing might seize an opportunity to reclaim land at the atoll in the Spratly Islands before the Americans vote for a new president on November 8, he said.

The atoll, about 230km west of Manila, is claimed by Beijing, Manila and Taipei. Chinese coastguard ships took control of the area in 2012 after a tense stand-off with Philippine vessels.

“US President Barack Obama will focus on domestic issues ahead of the election as he needs to pass down legacies before leaving office. That might make him busy and he might not have time to take care of regional security issues,” he said.

China has sent more than a dozen security vessels near the shoal in recent weeks, compared with the usual two or three, news site Washington Free Beacon reported, citing US defence officials.

China appears to be sending a flotilla of hundreds of fishing vessels to the shoal in an action similar to what is happening in the East China Sea, according to the Beacon.

Japanese coastguard officials said they had spotted seven Chinese government vessels and more than 200 fishing vessels operating around the waters of the Diaoyus by Wednesday. The islands are controlled by Japan, which calls them the Senkakus.

China’s seasonal moratorium on fishing ended this month, and the nation needed to send warships to the shoal to protect its fishermen, according to Beijing-based military expert Song Zhongping. The security situation in the waters was not safe for Chinese fishing boats after the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague rejected Beijing’s historical claims to the area on July 12, Song said.

“Many Philippine fishermen swarmed into the atoll after the unfair ruling, increasing security uncertainties in the waters, which is why the Chinese military has to increase patrols,” Song said.

Ramos told a press conference in Hong Kong he discussed the issue of fishing rights in the South China Sea with Fu Ying, the chairwoman of the foreign affairs committee of the National People’s Congress.

Ex-interior secretary Rafael Alunan said talks with the Chinese side included the possibility of setting up a “two-track” system that would allow them to cooperate in some areas while separately handling “contentious issues”.

Last week, PLA Air Force spokesman Shen Jinke confirmed Beijing had sent H-6K bombers and Su-30 fighter jets to conduct patrols in the region, including the Scarborough Shoal.

The shoal is “one of Beijing’s key strategic positions in the South China Sea ... China will definitely build up maritime security forces on it if other countries, such as the Philippines and Vietnam, start construction projects in the region,” Song said.

Professor Wang Hanling, a maritime expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said the Beacon’s report was aimed at sowing discord between Beijing and Manila, and blamed Washington and Tokyo.

“The US and Japan are unhappy to see Ramos’ meeting with senior Chinese diplomat Fu Ying in Hong Kong, worrying Manila is walking too close to Beijing,” Wang said.

The source said it was “ a must for China” to build an outpost in the shoal, which would extend the reach of the air force in the region by at least 1,000km and close a gap in coverage off Luzon, the gateway to the Pacific.

The source added that China should build an airstrip on the shoal and establish an early warning system on Macclesfield Bank, just east of the Paracels. Doing so would allow China “to keep an eye” on the US naval base at Guam.

The Pentagon said last month that it would replace B-52 bombers at the base with the more advanced B-1 bombers, with the deployment slated for last Saturday.

China can already land aircraft at Woody Island, and three additional airstrips are believed to have been built at Mischief, Fiery Cross and Subi reefs in the Spratlys.

Beijing claims most of the South China Sea, through which more than US$5 trillion in annual trade passes. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam all have rival claims.
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Blackstone

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Interesting conjecture to be sure, but correct. Beijing has more incentives to improve its Scarborough Shoal territory after the G-20 so as not to sidetrack the conference, but it also need to present fait accompli to regional claimants and foreign interlopers as quickly as possible. Building artificial islands on China's sovereign territory is both legal and proper, and considerations on construction or not should primarily be based on national interests.
 

Jeff Head

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Interesting conjecture to be sure, but correct. Beijing has more incentives to improve its Scarborough Shoal territory after the G-20 so as not to sidetrack the conference, but it also need to present fait accompli to regional claimants and foreign interlopers as quickly as possible. Building artificial islands on China's sovereign territory is both legal and proper, and considerations on construction or not should primarily be based on national interests.
Good points...however, so you can be aware, due to your posting on the Plan SCS Bases and Islands-Not a Strategy Page thread, you have been suspended from SD for two weeks.

Read the post regarding the same:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pl...ot-a-strategy-page.t4059/page-267#post-410373
 

supercat

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interesting article If China builds in Scarborough Shoal, it would come ‘after G20 summit’

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China does not have to play the zero-sum game of building Scarborough Shoal with the Philippines anytime soon. Instead, China should play the win-win game of co-development with the Philippines. This game will make the U.S. the odd man out - an excellent temporary solution for the SCS problem for the time being.

China-Philippines fishing deal ‘may help calm troubled South China Sea waters’
Joint fishing rights in Scarborough Shoal could help ease tensions between Beijing and Manila, think tank chief says after talks with Fidel Ramos
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Iron Man

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I think it is nearly inevitable at this point that China builds on the Scarborough Shoal. The ability to monitor the entire (rest of the) SCS as well as US military installations in the Philippines is probably a nearly irresistible opportunity in the long term, which is also why many US analysts have been urging the government to draw this so-called "pink line".
 
according to USNI News Experts: China Continues Using Fishing Fleets for Naval Presence Operations
When you look at the thousands and thousands of fishing boats operating out of China, you really should consider them a third arm of Beijing’s naval presence, an expert in maritime security said this week.

Christopher Rawley, a member of the board of directors of the Center for International Maritime Security and a captain in the U.S. Navy Reserve, asked, “What are we preparing for” as a nation? “Conventional war,” he answered, citing freedom of navigation as part of that thinking.

The threat to escalating tensions is broader than that. The United States is not looking at “marine-based protein” as a strategic resource for half of the world’s population and a potential flashpoint in areas in the East and South China Seas that already are over-fished.

China is not alone in its thinking about the value of a “third arm” residing in its fishing fleet.
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to bolster its territorial claims to the Paracel Islands,
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. Historically, Russia used its trawlers to monitor air operations from Andersen Air Base, Guam, during the war in Vietnam, and more recently it has been accused by the United Kingdom of using trawlers off its coast to spy as tensions have
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. During the Falklands War, the United Kingdom itself so concerned about its ships being trailed by Argentine fishing vessels that it sank the ELINT-equipepd ARA Narwal.

During a forum jointly sponsored by his organization and think-tank Center for a New American Security. Rawley cited the recent decision by an international tribunal against Chinese territorial claims in the South China Sea in a case brought by the Philippines as an example that raises those two questions of harvesting the sea and building fortifications. Beijing rejected the court’s ruling.

China insists its territorial waters historically extend out to the so-called “9-Dash” line, formalized after World War II. Beijing did not participate in the arbitration hearing. but says it would negotiate its claims with the Philippines.

On the other hand, Indonesia did not take its claims to an international panel. Jakarta detains Chinese fishing vessels it considers violating its exclusive economic zone.

The question in those waters close to China and globally is “how do you define a navy” or a coast guard or a force that includes vessels that have dual use—laying mines, tracking other vessels, communication points, etc., that also can ward off fishing vessels from other countries.

Phrases such as “naval militia” and “para-navies” are commonly used.

China is not the only nation with a “naval militia” in its fishing fleet. Rawley put Indonesia and Vietnam in that category as well.

Rawley said that the answer to what is a navy, coast guard or even a naval militia lies beyond fishing vessels and needs to include ships operated by private security companies and non-governmental organizations.

“Legal and ethical lines are blurred” when private companies operate in security roles even when escorting tankers and other merchantmen through waters where pirates operate or ride aboard those ships to protect them from boarding.

He added much of that escort business has declined off the Horn of Africa and the continent’s east coast as international navies and coast guards have stepped up anti-piracy enforcement patrols.

Using Kalaayaa Atio Ito, a Filipino NGO, as one example, Rawley described how it runs blockades around the artificial islands that China has built in the Spratly Islands. In one slide, he showed children on board its ship to back up Manila’s claims to those reefs and to demonstrate the cause it advocates.

On the other hand, New Zealander Pete Bethune’s Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is technologically advanced and its cause is broader. But its history includes the ramming of a Japanese whaler. He received a suspended sentence for the action in a Japanese court.

As a group, Rawley said, “NGOs thrive on publicity” for fund-raising that they use to now build and buy vessels that had been used in fisheries enforcement, and other equipment, such as unmanned aerial vehicles, to build popular support for their cause. “Governments have a need for low publicity. The cultures are different.”
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Janiz

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So certain people in the US want to arbitrarily classify civilian fishermen as "military targets", and thus justify military action against them?
Pretty much so. They must have some intel about that and from what Japanese CG reported from the last standoff near Senkaku's there were 'fishermen' coming and going from Chinese CG cutters to fishing boats. They work in a similar way that North Koreans do it seems. I'm not saying that's bad but rises some doubts.
 
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